I wouldn't be surprised if he and United were to part ways at the end of the season or perhaps after a month or so. Not knowing what his role will be says it all.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Sucking him off whilst he's been shit may work for you but the facts don't lie.
Fact is you have no idea about him. You're just looking at results rather than any context or understanding of his wider remit.
If I understand you correctly, you would have brought in a coach with a more traditional playing style who could have gotten more out of this squad, somehow secured top 4 and then start the rebuild afterwards?
Personally, I believe The change to a coach with a modern playing style was needed and it revealed brutally what is wrong with this squad and club. If you had brought in somebody who somehow qualified for the UCL, I doubt you would have been willing to make the concessions which were necessary to sign Ten Hag.
Let's be real, both Rangnick and Ten Hag think this squad is unfit to play a modern pressing style. Do you think this would have been as clear if you had signed somebody who didn't try to play pressing? You've been down this road a few times already.
Results are what he was brought in to do.
Wow, read back to yourself what you have just written there.
Wish at least he was a bit ballsy and ruthless in dropping the shite players instead of starting the same turds again and again. He had nothing to lose here. Still acted like a coward.
Results was not the only thing, he was brought in to reset the squad and get them in tune with his way of thinking, analyse who can and cant do it, take that upstairs and help with the overhaul.
Yes there was definitely a remit for results, but this gets a pass given how toxic the squad is.
Now if you are saying he should take out the toxicity whilst also doing the other stuff, you're deluded. No one can do that.
I think you should take your own advice.
Um no, I said he could have done all that without taking on the manager responsibilities. And what credibility does he have when he is responsible for the worst United period in the Premier League era?
I would be very harsh with Rangnick myself if:
1. He took charge before the season started and had bought players he believe in and sold some he don’t believe in.
2. Did not inherit a club and players who was already fecked up.
3. A team that has spit out manager after manager.
He never stood a chance imo. The most important thing now is a ruthless clear out from top to bottom. Without one we will just continue this bad pattern.
1. He took charge before the season started and had bought players he believe in and sold some he don’t believe in.
2. Did not inherit a club and players who was already fecked up.
3. A team that has spit out manager after manager.
He never stood a chance imo. The most important thing now is a ruthless clear out from top to bottom. Without one we will just continue this bad pattern.
Ole would have missed top 4 in 2019-2020, if he hadn't spend 200 millions and Leicester had collapsed. And he was already the manager for 6 months in the previous season. LVG missed it in his second season. Yet, people expected that RR would secure top 4 with a team that was losing right and left, and with losing one key player and 2 squad options in the winter.
OK.
OK.
Keep digging....
He hasn't even done that ffs.He can't, there are 10 players plus leaving us. No one canKeep digging....
The problems started long before Rangnick came in. The squad was already poorly put together by previous managers, who recruited quick fixes (that didn't work) it doesn't matter how good technically you are etc etc you have to have the right character a willingness to run and be selfless. There are so many issues he's been left to pick up and deal with Lingard, Pogba, a non existent midfield, awful fullbacks, defenders.
Some of Rangnick's selections have been interesting to say the least, even from the outside you'd struggle to pick a decent starting 11 each game. Look at the squad vs Arsenal how many would you keep? Starting XI maybe 7 from the subs you prob keep 1 or 2.
The board and owners are to blame for ridiculous contracts which have made it hard to move players on.
I'm sure Rangnick is consulting whilst being manager, no better place than being hands on to fInd out the real cause of why these players have given up. I hope he stays and supports ETH and that ETH is given full control of who stays and comes in. I hope he and the players can demonstrate an identifiable style of play something we have not had for years probably since LVG (albeit a boring slow style)
Some of Rangnick's selections have been interesting to say the least, even from the outside you'd struggle to pick a decent starting 11 each game. Look at the squad vs Arsenal how many would you keep? Starting XI maybe 7 from the subs you prob keep 1 or 2.
The board and owners are to blame for ridiculous contracts which have made it hard to move players on.
I'm sure Rangnick is consulting whilst being manager, no better place than being hands on to fInd out the real cause of why these players have given up. I hope he stays and supports ETH and that ETH is given full control of who stays and comes in. I hope he and the players can demonstrate an identifiable style of play something we have not had for years probably since LVG (albeit a boring slow style)
I actually predicted it would go badly and my early posts in this thread are saying its all about next season. But it's gone even worse than even I thought and Ralf has to take a big responsibility for that. Top 4 was there for the taking.
He ditched his plans of how he wanted us to play within weeks and since then we've just been coasting along with an inferior version of Ole ball without the 'individual brilliance'.
Ask yourself this. If Chelsea would have offered Ralf the same deal we did, and got him in as interim when they tried to, does his stint there go as badly or is this just something that’s exclusive to us?
He didnt ditch any plans. The players dont listen to him. This has been credibly reported multiple times.
It would have worked out a lot better with them. They are not toxic as hell.
This is Barney Ronay's take on RR's stint here. Make of it what you will:
"This has turned out to be a startlingly bad appointment: a process manager at a club with no process whatsoever. Not to mention a manager who is so clearly out of step with this kind of player, this kind of environment. United’s director of football, John Murtough, was responsible for this farcical interim appointment. At a sensible club he would be answering for it – the lost millions, the dead end to the season – with his own job."
"This has turned out to be a startlingly bad appointment: a process manager at a club with no process whatsoever. Not to mention a manager who is so clearly out of step with this kind of player, this kind of environment. United’s director of football, John Murtough, was responsible for this farcical interim appointment. At a sensible club he would be answering for it – the lost millions, the dead end to the season – with his own job."
It would have gone significantly worse than it did for them, they’d have no Champions League this season for instance. Who’s to say how bad it would have gotten (probably not as much as we have, as there’s definitely blame on both sides) but he’s clearly, as evidenced by his entire career to this point, not a particularly good manager. His man management has been blatantly awful even from the outside on numerous occasions since he came in, for instance.
Quite a lot being posted today which is clearly released from RR side. Interesting reading and relates to his assessment of the squad and recommendations to Murtagh.
He doesn’t rate Bailly, Jones, AWB and is unsure about Lindelof’s decisiveness and positioning.
Has told Murtagh to abandon short term plaster signings like Cavani
Is shocked about the lack of engine and physicality in midfield and has suggested we need two new CM/DMs and a playmaker.
Also suggests that Maguire is carrying the can for poor team performances at the moment and the club spent far too much on him to just write him off
He doesn’t rate Bailly, Jones, AWB and is unsure about Lindelof’s decisiveness and positioning.
Has told Murtagh to abandon short term plaster signings like Cavani
Is shocked about the lack of engine and physicality in midfield and has suggested we need two new CM/DMs and a playmaker.
Also suggests that Maguire is carrying the can for poor team performances at the moment and the club spent far too much on him to just write him off
So he's failed.
Was Ralf not hired to help start the process? I find it weird that some are so short sighted on everything. In a few years if things start being done correctly they’ll be praising the same bloke they’re saying should be fired today
It's clearly just made up by the Mirror but is all pretty believable and anyone here could have written the same.
This is one of the most daft takes I’ve seen on it tbh. Ralf was brought in to implement the processes and change the environment that Murtough has inherited from Woodward.
What's the value in summing it up like this?
Its like saying "heres a burning house. 90% of the items are beyond repair. You have 1 hour".
You didnt fix the house? You failed.
I don’t overly put weight on what Barney thinks, but I think this is a relevant quote:
“But there is also something deeply facile about hiring a first-team manager as a kind of balm. Fix us. Give us “a culture”. Make us like Ajax, while having none of the structures that make Ajax into Ajax.”
For me that sums up the size of Ten Hag’s task. He’s got to be given the time to restructure at a club who generally sack their managers if they don’t get a CL spot. As frustrating as it is I think Utd need to dedicate next season (and the summer of 2023) purely to getting as many as possible of the unwanted players out, and bringing the right type of player in. And added to that giving 5 or 6 of the youth team a sustained run in the team in order to get a better idea of who will and who won’t make it. It’s a huge huge ask.
I feel bad for him. Ruined his reputation with a disfunctional squad
I agree. We can't set expectations for next season in terms of league position or silverware. The rebuilding task is simply too big to expect us to outperform top 4 rivals.
7 managers (short and long stints) in 9 years and all you lot keep coming back to is "someone else would've done better"
Footballers are not your friends, stop seeking their validation.
Footballers are not your friends, stop seeking their validation.
Very good post.
Comparing him to Ole is just crazy here inherited a group of players with all kinds of issues and who had not been coached for years. It was clear when he didn't get a new midfielder in January that the club was going for another manager and that was also clear to this group of players. For me the blame is all on the players. They threw Ole under the bus even though he fought for them and bought them and they clearly didn't like the harder training and new system under a manager who was only going to be here for couple of months.
Ralf has at least told us how it is and really how far this club has fallen. This summer is going to be a wild ride and I hope you guys brought your best behaviour and sympathy for the new manager because it's going to be brutal.
if we give him and ten haag the power and take it away from the players he will build a proper football club again. that is what he is good at. if not we will be in the shit for years to come. its quite easy in fact - just look at the clubs that are run properly. money is also no issue - we are rich enough to buy good players
This is a dopey as shit point tbh. It’s perfectly valid to say Ralf, as a manager, has been poor.7 managers (short and long stints) in 9 years and all you lot keep coming back to is "someone else would've done better"
Footballers are not your friends, stop seeking their validation.
The players have also been poor, and the club descended into a shitshow under Woodward, now we’re entering (not in the middle or end) the ripping the plaster off stage. Suggesting Ralf hasn’t had his flaws just isn’t true.
I personally I give him a lot of leeway, his appointment was to assess the issues, but conversely the fact he isn’t a particularly good manager has exacerbated some of those issues. It’s now a case of acting on what we’ve learned from his spell and organising the club to compete in the next few years.
He’s sometimes tactically weak and more outspoken but I don’t know what more coaching can Ralf do for getting us top 4? This team can’t press for more than 30 min, our striking option is only a 37y old, no reinforcements in January + lingard, PRashford dressing room leaks to media.
The reason his interim job looks failure is, Individual errors and penalty misses by our players + referee union is clear that we don’t reach top 4 or fa cup wins.
Remember how many open play chances we missed since his appointment + an important penalty yesterday. I’m sure if we did finish our chances, we’d be 10-12 points ahead in table. We need players who don’t succumb to pressure, we need players who has the character to challenge referees, we need players to follow coach’s instructions.
I see his appointment as first step of a major change towards the club’s future. Looking forward to his remaining press conferences because that’s far more entertaining than the match.
The reason his interim job looks failure is, Individual errors and penalty misses by our players + referee union is clear that we don’t reach top 4 or fa cup wins.
Remember how many open play chances we missed since his appointment + an important penalty yesterday. I’m sure if we did finish our chances, we’d be 10-12 points ahead in table. We need players who don’t succumb to pressure, we need players who has the character to challenge referees, we need players to follow coach’s instructions.
I see his appointment as first step of a major change towards the club’s future. Looking forward to his remaining press conferences because that’s far more entertaining than the match.
As manager he's been poor.
However, based on his comments, we have to give him an important role at the executive level. He has good pedigree and speaks so much bloody sense. A breath of fresh air in this regard.
However, based on his comments, we have to give him an important role at the executive level. He has good pedigree and speaks so much bloody sense. A breath of fresh air in this regard.
How's it dopey when it's almost verbatim from some of the posts in here post-arsenal? How many more times are people going to look for the simplest answer over and over and not expand that it's much more complex than a manager?
I’m not sure of the relevance of picking OGS worst half-season and Mourinho’s worst half-season as comparators. I don’t know the stats but surely over their tenures both JM and OGS were both significantly better. Which means he’s achieved worse results than all his predecessors since Moyes left.
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Yes but he's also picked up a team in complete meltdown (under Ole).
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