tomaldinho1
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He wasn’t bad today, just definitely one we can upgrade on.
Yup. Was thinking that watching. Even the most vanilla CM will very occasionally play a defence splitting pass. Look at El-Nehny at Arsenal, for example. Or Henderson at Liverpool. With McT you know he will never do something like that. Either cause he can’t see them, or can’t execute them. Just not gonna happen.There were so many times where a pass was on and he just did not see it. Deeper role doesn’t suit him but still think he has a use within a squad.
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MourinhoHe is honestly so bad. Who told him someone who can't pass could be a Midfielder?
To be fair, Matic has made far more sub appearances than McFred, which would bring down his average numbers in comparison. Fred is a poor passer too.I keep hearing that he "hides", but I'm not exactly sure what the hell it means. How can you "hide" in front of 74k people (and millions watching on tv)?
Want the facts? OK. Great.
In the EPL this season:
Fred: Accurate passes per match - 44.1 (84)
McTominay: Accurate passes per match - 33.3 (85%)
Matic: Accurate passes per match - 37.7 (86%)
Is it that much of a differential? 11 Accurate passes per match between McTominay and Fred. And we don't exactly play Pep possession football.
The way that some people talk is that his United equivalent gets 100+ passes per match.
Being afraid to do any ambitious passes is hiding.It's strange, I thought McT constantly hides throughout games?
Yet had more touches of the ball than most last night.
Not for the first time this season either.
I can see him starting next season if he plays like he did last night.
I suspect you’re going to be very disappointed.Whenever a 20m pass is on, he runs with the ball 15m towards the player and then passes the ball 5m. He doesn't trust himself passing the ball 20m, and probably rightly so.
He's just so painfully limited, he can't use his left or the outside of his right meaning the angles are wrong for him half the effing time.
Thankfully he won't be a starter next season.
Really?Being afraid to do any ambitious passes is hiding.
He was objectively poor last night. He was just there but didn't influence the game at all
Where did I ask him to get an assist?Really?
Amazing how the definition of 'hiding' changes to suit peoples views. You don't need to have an assist to influence games.
You can't post these things on here. It doesn't suit the narrative.McTominay had 2nd most touches in the match against Brentford (100). Wish he would stop hiding! He should be getting 3000 touches!
Is that stat worthy of its own thread? No, but nor is the (false) stat on the title of this thread.
If the rebuttal is "it's only Brentford", yeah, well, the rebuttal to this thread is "It was against the European and World Champions". Also, it was McTominay's press that lead to our equaliser.
More progressive passes than Mata last night, more progressive carries than our fullbacks, but he doesn't help progress play?Where did I ask him to get an assist?
As a Midfielder he has a responsibility to help progress play. Passing sideways and backwards and doing little 5 years passes is not something to be raving about.
Dunno where you're getting your stats from but FBREF has Matic with more touches (and more passes) than McT, despite being subbed off in the 71st minute (McT played the full 90)McTominay had 2nd most touches in the match against Brentford (100). Wish he would stop hiding! He should be getting 3000 touches!
Is that stat worthy of its own thread? No, but nor is the (false) stat on the title of this thread.
If the rebuttal is "it's only Brentford", yeah, well, the rebuttal to this thread is "It was against the European and World Champions". Also, it was McTominay's press that lead to our equaliser.
I can't imagine EtH tolerating such limited ball players.I suspect you’re going to be very disappointed.
What a modern looking website... I think the early 90s is missing it.Dunno where you're getting your stats from but FBREF has Matic with more touches (and more passes) than McT, despite being subbed off in the 71st minute (McT played the full 90)
Bruno also had more touches (and more passes)
Fred was only one for 19 minutes but extrapolate his number of touches/passes to the full 90 and he would also be more involved than McT.
I fancy my chances.You can't post these things on here. It doesn't suit the narrative.
The next thing will be out of the 100, how many were sideways and backwards?
You will never win against agenda FC
Look I watch football with my eyes and I say it how I see it, I'm not asking you to agree.More progressive passes than Mata last night, more progressive carries than our fullbacks, but he doesn't help progress play?
I think the issue is more that even in a game we where so dominant he wasn't up to much.He was fine last night but we have reached the point were his 6/10 performances are seen as 4/10, and people can't isolate their opinion of a performance in 1 game from their overall perception of the player.
Which is a bit pathetic.