He'd be a great winger in a 442. Not a likely approach from ETH though
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Yeah I feel like he could improve again by making the step up to a top six team
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ma75 million
I'd rather spend it on players than let it go into the Glazers' bank account - and, anyway, some people here have always brought this up even way back when we could aford almost any player we wanted
No.. I'm making more of part of the point, Of course I agree we've made bad purchases
I think you are. People commenting about the price we pay, maybe not all, but many have a valid point. Why? Let's say we paid the 14m euros for Maguire, Leicester paid and and we bought him directly from Hull. The pressure to succeed, the attention to his performances would have been different than to the 80m CB Manchester United bought. It's been said million times, the expectations people build are different and therefor the scrutiny.
Watching Mata last night is exactly what i want from our new central midfielder, the ability to retain the ball and make quick short passes, then "be there" at right time and right place, all these require technical skill and brains. 2 things that McTomminay, Fred, and to extend Pogba lack of.
If we pay 75 million for JWP we may as well cancel next season.
We won't pay that no chance
please don't tell me what I'm saying... and there's a difference between saying "x or y is not worth the money we paid for him" and "I don't want other people to use their money to buy x or y". for starters one of those has evidence.
if we listened to those moaning about what we pay, there would never have been a £1m footballer and we might not have bought a certain Eric Cantona, who many in the game saw as a trouble maker. there were those who thought the Bryan Robson fee in 1981 (that 1.5m is worth about £400m today) was crazy
Tom Cleverley but with Beckham‘s level of crossing, free kick and corner kick.
As long as we can just bring him on for set pieces, like they do in American Football
I had this crazy thought in my head the club was going to adopt a moneyball attitude and pursue mid-price players with efficient stats for a particular system.
Sounds like a good player.
It might have come out that way, I did not mean any offense. I just think you missed the point. And no they are not using their money in fact. In reality nobody is worth the money being paid nowadays. But the money being paid directly influences imo what are we going to get in performances, therefor my comment about expectations. And yeah Cantona was a 4 decades ago. Nowadays fans should rightfully worry how the money is being spent.
Much better passer, much more consistent, more of a goal threat.
Also Ward-Prowse and Neves is the level United are at right now, not Tchouameni and Bellingham. Harsh reality but the club is a laughing stock with no CL football to offer.
Very clear many people haven’t watched him outside of the games vs United and some freekick highlights, he’s not a winger by any stretch. He’s a realistic signing in the mould of what we need, great work rate offensively and defensively, excellent on the ball, has the added bonus of his set pieces. He’s not the fastest player although he’s not slow i.e. Matic but is super vocal and organises that Soton team. £75m is a joke, anything under £50m would be good value for a player who would immediately improve us and would probably end up captain given our lack of leadership.
He’s not world class, he’s just a really solid 7/10 all round CM who grafts and has great technique.Exactly the types of signings Klopp started with, you have to bring the base level of the team up with these players before you then cherry pick 1-2 big world class signings.
He’s not world class, he’s just a really solid 7/10 all round CM who grafts and has great technique.Exactly the types of signings Klopp started with, you have to bring the base level of the team up with these players before you then cherry pick 1-2 big world class signings.
Would be a very useful signing but the fee would be mental.
35million would be about right.
We don’t want to carry on being a laughing stock by dropping 75m on a 27 year old. It’s not about what supposed level of player we can attract.
So much stock placed in CL football and not in the stature of the club. Maybe he should join Tottenham or Arsenal.
All depends on the price. Not against the signing but I am for against it for stupid money.
For 35-40Million along with Eriksen on a free would be two good bits of business and be a very good start to the summer.
If we're taking 60 or 70 million for JWP then it's a firm no from me.
For 35-40Million along with Eriksen on a free would be two good bits of business and be a very good start to the summer.
If we're taking 60 or 70 million for JWP then it's a firm no from me.
Agree with all this.
He's a really useful cog in a functioning system- something ETH will hopefully bring - and just the type of signing we should be making. This squad needs a real mentality shift, to do that we need to bring in a number of players with the right mentality, and JWP would be a great start I my opinion.
But of course, the price needs to be right. £40m ish, perhaps with a few small addons tacked on would be about the limit for me.
Agreed, wasn't saying he's worth £75m.
Maybe he should - I'd rather go to either of them if I were him. Much better fit for both systems I think and more likely to succeed in those environments as things stand.
So you wouldn't want him for your own reasons but other people not wanting him is because they are anti English?
Well there's plenty of people saying that they don't want a single more overpriced overrated English signing, so it's not exactly false.
Need to stop making these overpaid transfers. 30m plus bonus at max.10m would be fair.
So, not Tom Cleverley.
Or maybe it's because clubs needing a certain number of home grown players plus PL clubs being rich drives prices for English players to crazy levels for even medium level of quality. Most people were very much in favor of both Sancho and Grealish and that shows it's not about some hidden or overt anti English agenda but rather about price in relation to talent.
Tielemans replacement would be a good move for him, don’t think his level is any higher than that
Excellent at set pieces but seriously would be another Schneiderlin type transfer, right? Not United quality.
Without a doubt
If he hadn't signed that new contract at the beginning of the season he would be a very smart pick-up for a good price. But by signing that new contract he's basically priced himself out of a move as I doubt Southampton will accept any realistic figure.
Completely agree. JWP & Neves would be good signings anyway and both buy into ETH's system / philosophy. Until we get playing ETH's way and finishing comfortably in the top 4 we won't be able to sign 'world class' players.
Took Klopp 2/3 years to get major signings in Van Dijk and Alisson.
As a Saints fan I don't want to see him go but for the right price wouldn't be too upset. I think he'd be the perfect signing for Man Utd, and would be a step in the right direction for you as a team. I've seen a few comments of he'd be a waste of money or that he'd be another Schneiderlin signing which I think is a long way from the truth. JWP offers an unrivalled consistency, his injury record is ridiculous. At one point he'd gone 100 consecutive games for Southampton playing every minute of every game. He is always in the top 10 for average distance covered and I believe at the moment is fifth in the league for it. He covers so much ground both defensively and offensively, and has become a master at the last-ditch tracking back tackle/interception. He is used to playing in a high press team so will suit the style of Ten Hag, and will have the dedication which is required to play in the style.
JWP passing is accurate and in a better team I think would be more threatening. He is particularly good at moving out to the right for the ball to be dropped back to him for first time balls into the box. He has a decent long shot which is underutilised at Southampton but when offered the chance he has banged is several great goals. Then there is the obvious, his set-pieces, nobody in world football can match him at the moment. His delivery is exceptional and with players like Maguire, which for all his faults is great at attacking corners, I think you would start scoring a lot more from set-pieces.
JWP passing is accurate and in a better team I think would be more threatening. He is particularly good at moving out to the right for the ball to be dropped back to him for first time balls into the box. He has a decent long shot which is underutilised at Southampton but when offered the chance he has banged is several great goals. Then there is the obvious, his set-pieces, nobody in world football can match him at the moment. His delivery is exceptional and with players like Maguire, which for all his faults is great at attacking corners, I think you would start scoring a lot more from set-pieces.
If he was looking for a move, and with his reputation and form in the past few months drawing attention, signing this new contract extension may have been a poor move.
My only conclusion is I don't think he has any intention in moving on. Seems relatively settled being Southampton's top earner and their main go-to guy.
I do like him as a player but outside of his brilliant set-pieces and work-rate he is rather so-so.
To be fair he has a point, we are beyond poorly run.A laughing stock of a club, oh do behave.
If gifs were allowed I'd be posting that Michael Scott "please God no" one right now.
As a CM/DM you are expected to control the midfield or being destroyer in midfield, basically trying to win the midfield battle. Not to cross and take set pieces. Crossing and set pieces are just bonus for CM/DM. His passing, positioning, first touch, pace, physicality, defending are Cleverley esque.
His passing, positioning, first touch, pace, physicality, defending are Cleverley esque. More goal threat because of free kick and penalty but I prefer to target CM that either can control midfield or be destroyer as the first list attribute.
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