Not now, but eventually they'll need a better manager than Howe.
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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His league record isn't that impressive, only 1 title with that Millan side in 8 years i think, the only impressive league title that he got was with Chelsea and that was super close .
The Rest aren't very impressive, psg and bayern goes without saying.
His recent title is mostly just atleti and barca being dogshit.
For me, Tier I is limited to Pep, Klopp, Conte and Tuchel ( latter 2 at a stretch)
Tier II would have Poch, ETH, Enrique, Ancelloti, Nagelsmann, Flick, etc.
How do you judge these managers?
Conte as Tier I but has won 1 knockout CL tie in his career?
Tuchel who has only the French League cup title and a CL at Chelsea which he took over mid way.
This season Tuchel hasn't competed in the PL, how is he up there with Klopp and Pep?
Conte is only a league winner.
That's why I said, they are Tier I at a stretch. Ideally they'd be tier-II but if someone puts them at tier-I, you won't really complain about it.
Irrespective, both are better managers than Poch right now
He did mention the latter two (Tuchel, Conte) were a stretch, I would go beyond that and agree with you that they aren't in the same category. Also, I'm putting Zidane in tier 1 until he proves otherwise, the man has been exceptional as a manager so far in his career.
As far as Poch is concerned, he never deserved to be nominated as a top coach in Ligue 1, and the professionals who actually voted on the thing made the right call. I linked a chart earlier about the xG potential of PSG's throughout multiple manager, and as soon as Poch came in, it dropped sharper than the stock market since the Russian invasion and never came back even halfway up in his entire tenure. He is beyond hope and should be put out of his misery.
Conte and Tuchel have no right being considered Tier I, and some of those Tier II candidates are too highly placed.
My take on it would be:
Tier I (GOAT potential) - Klopp, Pep and no one else right now.
Tier II (world class but not quite Klopp and Pep) - Ancelotti, Enrique, Tuchel, Zidane, and maybe Conte. I think Flick deserves to be here too
Tier III (still a lot to prove, but potentially world class) - ETH, Poch(I'm being generous here), Nagelsmann
Simeone?
Forgot about him!
No idea where to put him tbh. Tier II perhaps? But again he’s not the manager clubs would necessarily be clawing to appoint considering his approach to the game. I feel like once he leaves Atletico he’ll go down the route of Mourinho.
Agree with this list.
Yea, I wouldn't want him at united but I'll only place Pep and Zidane above him, if playing style counts then Klopp as well.
Ancelotti is definitely top tier for me. He’s been there and done it across multiple leagues and across multiple decades. For all we know, he could be sitting on a League and CL double in a few weeks time with one of the worst Real Madrid teams in recent memory.
Conte for me is Tier I material but let’s see where he is and what he does this time next season.
I’d add Allegri to the tier II list, although it’s been an average year this season, I think he’ll surprise us all next season.
Agreed. Ancelotti is criminally underrated. The man has more CLs than Fergie did and won the league in every country he has managed, yet some people will reluctantly place him in tier 2.
Yep I think a lot of it comes down to recency bias and the current overvaluation of the PL.
When Ancelotti was at Chelsea (and won the league and cup double in his first season), he beat the all of the top 4 (us, Arse, Liverpool) home and away which was an incredible feat in a stronger league.
Because he also got sacked in all of them except Ligue 1.
So? Look at the clubs he’s managed -
Chelsea - a sacking club.
PSG - a sacking club (although he left).
Real Madrid - a sacking club.
AC Milan he left a year early by mutual consent.
Bayern is a bit more nuanced. They sacked him and they have their own reasons, but it’s partially due to the fans being unhappy and the players being unhappy with the training methods. Even now Nagelsmann has received death threats (450 of them) due to their exit in the CL at the hands of Villareal.
Napoli and Juventus also sacked him.
You can't put him alongside Pep and Klopp when so many clubs weren't satisfied with him and thought they could do better.
Pochettino champion league performance vindicated today. Everyone quote this post.
We made a big mistake in not going after him or pushing him to be sacked by psg. He was the only manager that really made this real Madrid team look like a pub team. I encourage everyone to watch psg vs real Madrid again
We made a big mistake in not going after him or pushing him to be sacked by psg. He was the only manager that really made this real Madrid team look like a pub team. I encourage everyone to watch psg vs real Madrid again
Ah, so you decide to completely ignore the discussion above.
Sad.
I hoped for some crazy arguments about why all French professionals have no idea what a good manager is
That’s like saying us losing to Villarreal on penalties and beating them in the group stage vindicates Ole as manager because they got to a semi of the CL.
You are an inspiration my friend
You are my hero
The discussion of a lot on here especially about Pochettino is not credible and not worth responding to. Many experts believe the opposite, so I am starting to think it is not worth the effort. But, I am a fan of education, so perhaps I will try and enlightening them more. If poch remains at psg, he typically does better in his second or third full season, so be on the watch out for them next season. If he leaves or get sacked, then Goodluck to anyone that manages that dysfunctional team. Hopefully Zidane so I can watch him fail next season with 36 year old Messi leading the line and without MbappeAh, so you decide to completely ignore the discussion above.
Sad.
I hoped for some crazy arguments about why all French professionals have no idea what a good manager is
The discussion of a lot on here especially about Pochettino is not credible and not worth responding to. Many experts believe the opposite, so I am starting to think it is not worth the effort. But, I am a fan of education, so perhaps I will try and enlightening them more. If poch remains at psg, he typically does better in his second or third full season, so be on the watch out for them next season. If he leaves or get sacked, then Goodluck to anyone that manages that dysfunctional team. Hopefully Zidane so I can watch him fail next season with 36 year old Messi leading the line and without Mbappe
You are not a normal person.
He is Poch's Moon Knight
I also agree with this list, and although I hate Simeones football, I’d put him top of tier 2. He’s turned Atletico from a bunch of second rate losers to one of the best teams in Europe. And did so with a bit of a shoestring budget when he started.
I mean considering that both Chelsea and City with pep got eliminated as well ( with more goals conceded too) did he really that bad of a job?
If he had only lost the CL against Real it wouldn't be a big problem. Shouldn't have happened that way, but sometimes a team might just have a bad day and there's nothing a manager can do about it. But it fits into a bigger picture this season - early CL exit, early exit in the French cup and simply not playing well, just winning by individual quality in the league. What was discussed above (the voting for the French manager of the year, where he isn't even in the top 5 who are nominated) is quite telling in that regard.
United had and has a superior squad than Villarreal, we should be beating them. Nothing can vidicate our lost to them in that europa league final. Not sure how you came up with such comparisons.
Psg outplayed real Madrid for the majority of both league. And unlike city, they were done in my individual errors. If donammura had just cleared it out, psg would have been the team in the finals right now. Some people don't see such perspective because they are inexperienced when it comes to football. The way psg played against real Madrid was so good, real madrid wanted to sack ancellotti and hire Pochettino after that game.
Anyway that is football. If Pochettino stays next season, he should definitely work on that teams defense, and midfield. They are experimenting with three in the back at the end of the season as a foreshadow towards what system they might play in the champion league knock out stage next season. However for that to work, they would need to identify another center back or two because Ramos is injury prone and aging and Kimbemepe isn't as reliable in terms of quality.
Knockoutstage team
Donammura
Ramos/Diallo - Marquinhos - Kimpembe/Gvardiol
Hakimi - Verratti/wiljinaldum - parades/gueye - nuno Mendes
Neymar/Szoboslvai
Adeyemi|Richarlison - Mbappe
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How is Ancelotti tier 2? He's won 3 Champions leagues, could possibly win his 4th this season and is the only manager ho has won the 5 big leagues.
While Conte is on tier 1....
So we can safely say now that Ancelotti is a far superior manager than Poch, and Madrid is collectively performing a huge sigh of relief then yeah?
Especially after Pochs failure of a season!
hopefully psg get them next season again and we can see how that turns out. Pretty sure the players will be more aware of not doing ridiculous error. What Real Madrid is doing is an anomaly. Several times coming back from losing in the span of a few minutes. Ancellotti has much more experience than Pochettino, but to say he is a better manager at the moment after seeing the two teams meet in the champions league? No I wouldn’t say that. If it wasn’t for the anomalous event, ancellotti would have been sacked and Real Madrid would be trying to get Pochettino from psg. That is how football goes. If you have luck, instill good work ethic in your team and have talent and good tactical understanding, you will go far.
Unfortunately for Pochettino he didn’t have the luck and couldn’t have the work ethic. with the former, they missed so many chances in the first leg and second, they should have killed the game off. But, they didn’t. Messi missing penalties and Neymar and Mbappe not being clinical showcased the bad luck Pochettino had in that game. With the later, it is impossible to have high work ethic with a front three of Mbappe, Neymar and Messi. And that is due to poor acquistion by psg and their board. They think football is like fifa, but in reality it is not. You need a balance team and the one I presented is much more balanced then what psg has. I should take Leonardo jobs instead and help them understand what a balanced, well functional team looks like.
It's the managers job to balance the team, not the DoF (though he has to provide a reasonable squad, I give you that).
If Poch can't get those three players to work hard enough that's not good.
If he doesn't have the balls to drop at least one of them that's bad.
If he is forced to not drop them and still took the job he's stupid.
to the bolded part!Dear oh dear, you have the audacity to claim other people don't have 'experience in watching football' only to then claim that Poch is a better manager than Ancelotti!
Real must have some luck for it to happen repeatedly, maybe that luck is down to belief instilled in them by the manager? Maybe it's down to fitness and desire? Unlike PSG who have had it happen to them repeatedly.
They're probably going to sack Leonardo and keep Pochettino unless Zidane comes available. You can't imagine them going for a 'lesser' name at the moment, its too damaging for their brand
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