Two of the RM players who won 10, 11, 12, 13 won ballon d'ors for it, a third one has a good chance of winning it this year (for his performance this season, but also because of everything he's won before). A solid chunk of the CL winning squad are considered modern-day legends of the game (Ronaldo, Benzema, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo). Where is this idea coming from that winning a bunch of CL titles with RM is no big deal and nobody cares? It's completely absurd.
Kylian Mbappe signs new contract at PSG until 2025 | LaLiga will file a complaint
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They love a “galactico” and with Bale gone and Hazard MIA, I’d guess they could do with him. 3 year deal and maybe get Mbappe when salah’s contract ends? They’ve been linked with Tchouameni as well. They have Camavinga and Valverde. But yeah, I’m sure they have the funds to do both - Salah and a midfielder.
They were never in the same league though. It was fan fic by La Liga watchers and fans who still think Madrid and Barca will have every generational version of those two forever and forever
Yeah in hindsight the best Mbappe time was last summer. RM attack looked bad, he'd clowned Barcelona at the Camp Nou. But you don't eliminate PSG from CL, reach the final after scoring 14 goals and conceding 11, and think "you know what we really need: goals."
Because it is twice the amount of guaranteed money.
Keep in mind that I am having a conversation with Olly Francis, who said earlier in the thread:
If the offer from PSG is the same yearly wage as the offer from Real Madrid, but only for three years, is "impossible" to extend, and makes it likely that he needs to take a pay cut in three years, then it is financially worse than a long-term offer from RM.
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And eliminates the chance to negotiate an increase earlier
Can't understand the logic some people get through life with. Plenty of people criticising La Liga for making a complaint, however, I imagine a good chunk of those people are also against the ESL.
It's exactly this kind of behaviour that drove the 'organic' big clubs to create the ESL proposal in the first place. What most people missed at the time was that it wasn't only about increasing their own revenues, it was about putting very strict rules in-place around FFP and what clubs could spend, and in the process making life very difficult for clubs like Manchester City, PSG and Newcastle.
That is why Man City and PSG were torn about joining and sort of had half a foot in, half a foot out. They knew they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Don't join and miss out on the insane revenue opportunities or do join and be forced to play by the rules and live within their 'real' means.
The common argument is that the 'organic' big clubs want to close shop and that they have all spent money in the past but that both completely misses the point and doesn't recognise the huge difference in scale of what Newcastle, PSG and City are doing against basically every other 'rich' club ever.
What we'll invariably end-up with is a multitude of franchise clubs which attract 'casual' fans who follow whichever team happens to be most successful or fashionable. Real football fans will support teams who increasingly cannot get a look-in or hope to truly compete for major trophies, certainly in European competition.
It'll be a sad day for football when hundreds of millions of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and AC Milan fans around the World are simply hoping to pick up crumbs from the table of the all-powerful and dominant Manchester City, PSG and Newcastle who's 'supporters' are largely based overseas and 'follow' the team on social media and by buying their latest fashionwear.
As this is a Manchester United forum and I am a Manchester United fan, I'll add that United are possibly one of the only clubs/brands that can survive and compete in this environment, so in a sense, we'll be alright...assuming we can get our arses in gear and start making better decisions on-pitch.
I just find it incredibly sad we'll be watching manufactured clubs with manufactured fanbases hoovering up trophies whilst the clubs we all grew up idolising and being inspired by fall into financial ruin or accept 2nd-best.
That is also my argument for why every football-loving fan, even United fans, should be hoping for Liverpool victories over Manchester City....because they are wins for a 'real' football club, with real History and a genuinely large fanbase.
It's exactly this kind of behaviour that drove the 'organic' big clubs to create the ESL proposal in the first place. What most people missed at the time was that it wasn't only about increasing their own revenues, it was about putting very strict rules in-place around FFP and what clubs could spend, and in the process making life very difficult for clubs like Manchester City, PSG and Newcastle.
That is why Man City and PSG were torn about joining and sort of had half a foot in, half a foot out. They knew they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Don't join and miss out on the insane revenue opportunities or do join and be forced to play by the rules and live within their 'real' means.
The common argument is that the 'organic' big clubs want to close shop and that they have all spent money in the past but that both completely misses the point and doesn't recognise the huge difference in scale of what Newcastle, PSG and City are doing against basically every other 'rich' club ever.
What we'll invariably end-up with is a multitude of franchise clubs which attract 'casual' fans who follow whichever team happens to be most successful or fashionable. Real football fans will support teams who increasingly cannot get a look-in or hope to truly compete for major trophies, certainly in European competition.
It'll be a sad day for football when hundreds of millions of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and AC Milan fans around the World are simply hoping to pick up crumbs from the table of the all-powerful and dominant Manchester City, PSG and Newcastle who's 'supporters' are largely based overseas and 'follow' the team on social media and by buying their latest fashionwear.
As this is a Manchester United forum and I am a Manchester United fan, I'll add that United are possibly one of the only clubs/brands that can survive and compete in this environment, so in a sense, we'll be alright...assuming we can get our arses in gear and start making better decisions on-pitch.
I just find it incredibly sad we'll be watching manufactured clubs with manufactured fanbases hoovering up trophies whilst the clubs we all grew up idolising and being inspired by fall into financial ruin or accept 2nd-best.
That is also my argument for why every football-loving fan, even United fans, should be hoping for Liverpool victories over Manchester City....because they are wins for a 'real' football club, with real History and a genuinely large fanbase.
Wait what? You do realize he's not going to retire after the PSG contract right? He'll go to another club, might get another sign in fee, there's no sacrifice because of a 3 years deal, it's actually better from a financial standpoint since he won't be tied to a long term contract and will have an easier time renegociating his contract on top of getting a sign in fee in 2-3 years instead of waiting 5-6 years.
A 6 years contract that pays the same yearly amount isn't "far far better" if the player considers he'll be worth more in 3 years, which is likely unless he gets injured.
Now if you guys were to bring credible sources describing both offer, i'll concede without any issue but so far, all we've heard is spanish outrage but no credible information. As far as I know, Sky sport is the only major outlet that gave detail about the PSG deal and it's not that far from the rumors we had about the Madrid deal a couple of weeks ago.
you have been creaming and poaching the top talent for years sometimes with dirty tactics, now it’s happened to you, you don’t like it and chuck your dummy out. (Real not you personally
)While I do think this whole deal is a nightmare for football and pure greed, Madrid are hardly the savour and hero here. You have missed out of the two biggest young talents to both the oil clubs and it’s just the sign of the times. Even you can’t compete with them. It has nothing to do with what you have won or your history. How Real Madrid are feeling now is exactly how united and other clubs have felt at the hands of you guys many times.
Did you put Juventus and Mian among the organic clubs? At least you didn't put Inter.
For PSG fans. People outside will just think ”whatever”. They will see that as bought trophy and not won. PSG can’t win in this.
Sooner or later CL trophy will go to PSG. You can’t buy half of players in the world and not win. That is impossible. For now it has been just big failure if they are only playing for CL trophy.
Like I said earlier in the thread, it does not inspire confidence that you and other PSG keep telling me that Mbappe made a great, virtuous decision that has nothing to do with money, that he has the chance to become a national and club legend, while also insisting that he can leave soon, have a long career at a historical club, and make all the money in the world.
Why are La Liga releasing statements about a player signing a contract at a non La Liga club. I find it very hard to feel bad for a league/club that act so entitled.
Whilst the points made may be fair it’s hardly as if Madrid haven’t been massively aided by their own dodgy dealings in the past. He’s about to be rich beyond his wildest dreams & Real now have 2 years to coax him better than they did this time. Win some - lose some.
Whilst the points made may be fair it’s hardly as if Madrid haven’t been massively aided by their own dodgy dealings in the past. He’s about to be rich beyond his wildest dreams & Real now have 2 years to coax him better than they did this time. Win some - lose some.
It's totally possible if you buy the wrong players. PSG not being competitive in the CL isn't a surprise at all when you look at the starting XI especially in the midfield + the workrate of attackers.
It's not supposed to inspire confidence. Mbappé might have decided that he'd try to give PSG its 1st CL for 3 extra years especially if it involves big changes in the club to achieve this goal, but that he'll need to go to another league after that because he doesn't want to spend his whole carreer in ligue 1. I don't see what is hard to understand about it, especially from his perspective. Nobody is pretending that Ligue 1 is a top league and he'll play somewhere else for his prime years, it's fine.
Someday they will get it right. About 10 years in and they are still searching for right formula. They tried different ways and last/this year they bought tons of hyped players and still they got schooled by Real Madrid and Benzema. Someday they will win.
Is Lampard a bigger football legend than Gerrard? Obviously not. He is, however, a football legend. Same as Gerrard. Both are among the biggest legends in their respective club's histories. Who's the bigger PL legend? Who's the bigger football legend, globally? Who knows. It depends who you ask I guess. For me, they're in the same tier of legendary players, domestically and globally.
I think Mbappe hurts Madrid because they could have got Haaland if Mbappe wasnt intially accepted through voice.
And that's totally fair. If he verbally agreed on something and Real Madrid abandoned a real chance to sign Haaland then they should feel agrieved but is that the case? Was Halaand anywhere close to sign for Real Madrid or even interested?
But Real has done absolutely nothing to indicate that they ''spat their dummy out''. All reports are saying the Perez even wished Mbape all the best in the future despite being deceived by him in quite a despicable manner. You lose some you win some, I think Real Madrid will be fine in a long run.you have been creaming and poaching the top talent for years sometimes with dirty tactics, now it’s happened to you, you don’t like it and chuck your dummy out. (Real not you personally
It has nothing to do with what you have won or your history. How Real Madrid are feeling now is exactly how united and other clubs have felt at the hands of you guys many times.
As for my personal feelings, I'm glad he is not coming. Great player, but he would cause all sort of problems for the club judging by his behavior.
Beyond the whole contract situation and LaLiga complaining, I can't for the life of me understand why Mbappe would want to stay with PSG.
Is winning a farmers league that no-one watches and getting routinely dumped of the CL in embarrassing fashion really that attractive? He has the potential to the best in the world, but he will never get that recognition playing in France, I feel.
I know the money is good, but it would certainly be good elsewhere as well.
Is winning a farmers league that no-one watches and getting routinely dumped of the CL in embarrassing fashion really that attractive? He has the potential to the best in the world, but he will never get that recognition playing in France, I feel.
I know the money is good, but it would certainly be good elsewhere as well.
Obviously it’s guess work - but still, Haaland reminded me of zlatan who always wanted to play in all the top leagues
Haaland has talked about La Liga and PL before.
Haaland wasn’t getting game time with both Benzema and Mbappe this season at Real Madrid. Still seemed like a top tier target Madrid would try for if Mbappe wasn’t coming.
Anyway, it’s easier to see Haaland leaving City to join Madrid than for it to happen the other way around. So maybe it just happened as it was always going to happen.
Guess money ultimately wins out for Mbappe. Though it is funny watching La liga throw the toys out of the pram over it, after their clubs doing it for years.
I kind of hope you never go back in for him, psg will probably be the only club that can afford him, maybe Newcastle or city..I’m not sure even city spend that big on one player. Football is messed up already but this takes it even further. When you get generational talent they will go to the oil clubs.. and whenever a player is signed and becomes elite.. the oil clubs come in with offers players can’t refuse, even the big traditional clubs can’t compete.
I get that but I think that we often forget that not all players are desperate for Real Madrid and not all of them would actually wait or be happy with being a second option, Haaland seems to be that type. Also the spanish press is full of liars and Real Madrid propagandist, if you listen to them every single player on earth is desperate to join them which is far from true.
I agree with you 100%. I’ve said this before, albeit never with the same level of grace and eloquence.
As of now the floodgates are open. Cannot wait until Oman, Azerbaijan or (insert name of country here) buy their own PR football toy. Fifa 21 and Instaboys won’t care a bit
Fairly low risk move imo. And if PSG ever were to win the UCL, with Mbappe starring - he can definitely pick up a Balon d’Or. Let’s not forget there’s another World Cup around the corner as well.
Ultimately it boils down to the money. He’d have been set for life either way, but this deal puts him into another stratosphere. He has age on his side as well. When this contract ends, he’ll be 26 or thereabout iirc - plenty of prime years to get his next move.
Reported contract figures are one thing, some clubs could just about compete for certain players even if the figures are stomach churning
It's all the off the books figures they can't touch, I'd bet a bollock every member of this kids family is on the payroll somewhere. Consultant roles at some pop-up company in the Middle East on 6 figure salaries
Same with that mob down the road too
It's all the off the books figures they can't touch, I'd bet a bollock every member of this kids family is on the payroll somewhere. Consultant roles at some pop-up company in the Middle East on 6 figure salaries
Same with that mob down the road too
I think it's simply that these footballers have a sheltered life. The outlines of their decisions make sense, but it all gets filtered through their limited entourages and whatnot, becomes distorted, also through their own fame and popularity.
My favourite part of all this is where La Liga say that PSG getting Mbappe is as dangerous as the Super League, something that Madrid are still hoping to be part of…
I guess being French and a Parisian lad, his perspective of a what a fulfilling career is different to those of us who didn't grow up in Paris supporting PSG? Of course money is a huge factor, zero point in not acknowledging that, but beyond the money, I can't imagine actual Parisians see playing for PSG as the giant waste of time the rest of Europe does.
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It really is wonderful seeing the Real Madrid fans on here spitting out their pacifiers. No need to go back and read their posts... Here are their main arguments as to why this is bad for football
"They don't have history (only like 7 clubs in Europe have history according to them and others. Today we learn history is not an accurate recollection of facts, Javier from Badalona doesn't know anything about PSG so they have no history, there)"
" No one cares about the French league" (apparently we measure importance by what RM/MUTD fans think. A caste if you will)
"Mbappe's decision was about money" (as opposed to the peanuts he would receive at Madrid as a benevolent tribute to Perez)
"Sportswashing, soft power, bla bla" (it's not enough that they sell us weapons and have our citizens spend money in their countries and maintain very close diplomatic/military ties, we need an army of Newcastle/City fans arguing that our regime is good... Here's a billion pounds for StripeCafe/Bluemoon)
It's not fair (football was fair before 2005 apparently. No problems here sir. What's that you say about Mila
"They don't have history (only like 7 clubs in Europe have history according to them and others. Today we learn history is not an accurate recollection of facts, Javier from Badalona doesn't know anything about PSG so they have no history, there)"
" No one cares about the French league" (apparently we measure importance by what RM/MUTD fans think. A caste if you will)
"Mbappe's decision was about money" (as opposed to the peanuts he would receive at Madrid as a benevolent tribute to Perez)
"Sportswashing, soft power, bla bla" (it's not enough that they sell us weapons and have our citizens spend money in their countries and maintain very close diplomatic/military ties, we need an army of Newcastle/City fans arguing that our regime is good... Here's a billion pounds for StripeCafe/Bluemoon)
It's not fair (football was fair before 2005 apparently. No problems here sir. What's that you say about Mila
I really don't care about the whole economical aspects of it, it doesn't really set a precedent that didn't exist before and anyone 3lse claiming otherwise is just being dishonest as money always played a big part in football, it's just grown tenfold due to the natural increase of interest in football.
I just hopes the rumors of him getting a say in how the club operates and getting veto powers in the club are not true, it would be disastrous to give players such prerogatives in how the club dealings .
I just hopes the rumors of him getting a say in how the club operates and getting veto powers in the club are not true, it would be disastrous to give players such prerogatives in how the club dealings .
The reason you don't need to go back and read the posts is because they don't exist. They are a figment of your imagination.
Not really 'fake news'. From what I remember Real and Barca did say they wanted to sell jointly, but quickly went with the individual package. They were hardly suoer against it. Then when the realities of it became obvious, they were keen to defend it and weren't too keen on changing it. So, yeah, maybe they weren't the biggest cheerleaders when it first came in, but they sure were once they realised the benefits; hence why it stayes in place so long.
1) La Liga were all fine and good with Real spending outrageous money on Mbappe or Haland in Feb when they thought they were going there. They also say:
"It is scandalous that a club like PSG, which last season reported losses of more than 220 million euros after accumulating losses of more than 700 million euros in prior seasons (while reporting sponsorship income at doubtful valuation), with a squad cost around 650 million for this season, can close such an agreement, while those clubs that could afford the hiring of the player without seeing their wage bill compromised, are left without being able to sign him"
Problem here is, PSG can afford to sign him because their owners can afford to pay him, sure that particular arm of their investment portfolio, PSG, isn't profitable but they can quite clearly afford to cover this.
Thusz what they're really saying is that they don't like people not playing by the rules set up to protect the biggest clubs (I will get onto this later.) So, no it isn't hate, it is just me not thinking in an, essentially free market environment, clubs should be handicapped by some rules a cartel of clubs have come up with to protect their own status.
2) Slice it which way you want, that tax rule was essentially Spanish state aid. For sure, it didn't just apply to Real and Barca but it was state aid all the same, which is why it got cut. Thus, complaining about state aid/funding when in the past you've recieved it yourself is hypocritical.
3) At least you admit there were favours. However, lets be honest, that was a case of not being able to prove wrong doing, hence no legal action, but knowing it was wrong. I mean you can try and find me another example of where else public land has been sold then brought back by a public body from a private company for over 5200% more within 14 years in Europe if you can.
4) Touched on the TV rights above.
Yes, football does.
It may appear I am in favour of state spending but actually I am not. What I am not in favour of is of traditionally big clubs trying to use cartel practices to keep their status locked in forever.
People talk about FFP a lot, but FFP was seriously flawed as it said that clubs could only spend what they generated. That consequently meant that the top clubs would stay top forever and lock the rest out. So, for me, I cannot get on board with that.
If people actually care about fairness then they would want fixed salary and fee caps, say something like:
All clubs in their top domestic leaguez can spend the maximum of the following each year;
1) €60m on player purcahses/signing on/agent fees.
2) €200m per year on wages.
That would be manageable of a lot of clubs, whilst it would also attwact investors to smaller clubs to give them a chance. However, clubs like Real, Barce, Utd, Bayern, Juve, Dippers etc, would never agree to it as that would be 'too much fairness'.
Reminds me of online on Fifa when the opposition player’s controller’s battery is gone
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Mbappe should move to PL after he spend his 3 years counting all the money in PSG.
He can then join us here.
He can then join us here.
What's the opposite of pressing?