Not to mention they were told she would stop and turn her cheek towards the cameras so they could get a shot of the 'bruise'.C'mon now, you said you're unbiased
TMZ guy was great. He said "The video was from rightful owner and it was not edited copy, which TMZ verified it". TMZ was also informed that they "should" camp outside Amber' friend' house to take picture of her on the only day that she didn't wear make up to show the bruise .
Yes, he didn't know the source but jury has common sense and even 10 years old can put a story together from here. Doesn't matter if her friend or Amber herself leaked it, there was a clear malice unless Amber say her phone was stolen
Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp | Depp wins on all 3 counts
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I didnt deny anything , I just noticed that you consistently post stuff that I've seen on Pro Heard subreddits and wondered if that was where you were getting your information.
*Also I Wouldn't agree that this thread is as biased as Duexmoi sure there are some Pro Depp people here but not to the same extent.
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Today's best moment.
Love this lad.
Yep using DeuxMoi as a source is a pretty big red flag. Honestly, the most important concern I have about this trial is how Amber Heard might be negatively affecting the ability of actual survivors of domestic violence to seek recognition and support in the public space. Johnny Depp at the end of the day is still a rich white man and will be ok despite the outcome but others may not be so fortunate. Plus the comment from Heard threatening Depp by saying that people would believe her claims more than his is extremely despicable (provided this is an accurate representation of what occurred).
The only quote on that image that is directed to a specific person is to his other ex-wife. And the quotes towards her are certainly not inherently misogynistic simply because he called her a c*nt. Since the other quotes aren't specified in the same way I can only assume they're directed at Heard (and I haven't got the time or interest to verify them).
Your last remarks hinges on the fact that these are his opinions against women in general (re the definition of misogyny). And the person compiling quotes for the image certainly attempts to portray it this way. I'm arguing that even though the hatred he has for Heard is pretty evident you should probably be wary of accusing him of misogyny without taking into consideration the testimonies of the women he's been with outside of Amber. As we all know, that marriage was an utter shit show. IMO the quotes belong in a vacuum unless other partners - or even women who know/knew him - can corroborate that he holds these views on women in general.
She has hurled some spiteful, hateful things towards Depp as well. Does that necessarily mean that she's a misandrist?
He watched Omar on The Wire
Amber Turd really is a vile human being.
Yeah I don't really like Johnny Depp to be honest
I don't think he's this great person or actor etc (In fact my significant other enjoys the Fantastic Beasts franchise and he was the worst thing in it, Mads is a better cast) so I would have been happy enough that he got he "just desserts" for being a cnut.My only real interest in this case is due to the fact that Heard presented herself as solely a victim of domestic abuse whilst knowing she was an active participant in a mutually abusive relationship (maybe even to a greater extent than Depp).
This is a good way of putting it.Yeah I don't really like Johnny Depp to be honest
My only real interest in this case is due to the fact that Heard presented herself as solely a victim of domestic abuse whilst knowing she was an active participant in a mutually abusive relationship (maybe even to a greater extent than Depp).
feck anyone that stiffs dying child cancer patients.
I believe the ruling earlier was that Depp couldn't bring in the Kate Moss story (that she was beaten on the stairs, as reported in the tabloids) and have her refute it because it wasn't relevant. But since Heard mentioned the Kate Moss story, that made it relevant, and she could be asked testify and say under oath that the story was bullshit. So it helped Depp's team by getting in a witness they wanted but were denied earlier.
they got the chance to call a world famous super model to testify in Depp's favour and you're wondering why they were happy about it?
What im getting is the photos have the editing metadata on them. "These arent photos, they are screengrabs"
And you are not at all concerned by the questioning of Depp lawyers along the lines us "you are seen smiling here, and you claim you were abused last night?". Or Dr Curry's complete exaggeration of what symptoms someone must show for PTSD?
I'm not completely denying your concerns here but there are 100% cases of women who have gone into spiral because of this case as it reminds them of their traumatic experiences of "Yeah right. Suuuure you were abused". There are similar cases all the time where the woman is seen as a psychotic b*tch just making it all up. And again, I'm not denying your angle either though statistically women lying about abuse is not that common at all.
To me "using" DeuxMoi or whatever would be a red flag if that was my only source. I'm against surrounding myself in an echo chamber with only similar views so I go on various forums.
Also, I think the last quote is taken out of context about people believing claims.
I'll say again these quotes are towards multiple women and not Amber Heard, but that does not matter because you don't think these quotes are inherently misogynistic. That goes beyond Heard vs Depp because I just don't agree with that.
I find slurs of these sort misogynistic in any context. You don't, so I can't/won't convince you.
Sure it's not Duexmoi but it's probably 70-75% there on the opposite spectrum. Definitely more than some "pro depp people". Unfortunately, due to Depp's star power and initial PR surge there aren't a lot of spaces for pro Heard side of the story so Duexmoi is the best I found and my best bet is to extract info from there. As I have said here a few times, I think they were both in a toxic relationship and this opinion would get downvoted on Deuxmoi.
That said, even Duexmoi's obvious bias is no where near something like one of those justiceforjohnnyDepp forums or twitter accounts. They're full of nothing but vile misogynistic slurs at Amber Heard and literal worshipping of Johnny Depp.
Fair enough but that's not what this trial is about. That's also not what a majority of people think. The general consensus is she would beat on him while he tried to run for cover and deescalate the situation.Yeah I don't really like Johnny Depp to be honest
My only real interest in this case is due to the fact that Heard presented herself as solely a victim of domestic abuse whilst knowing she was an active participant in a mutually abusive relationship (maybe even to a greater extent than Depp).
I just now realized you were referring to these?
Hate to break it to you but these messages are legit from Johnny Depp even his own team would verify that. The incoming is due to him having multiple phones. Besides, there's no way his own team would oversee something like that. At this point in the case, I'm not surprised at some of the conspiracy theories from JD's camp but this one has to be out there.
Also, no one else texts as deranged as that
That she testified, under oath, that the two pictures are the same was the nail in the coffin. How can you lie so blatantly, holding contempt for the court and perjury, shows me she really have malice with her statements.
If you don't think she is making stuff up with such clear evidence then you are part of the problem. I am sorry to be so honest to you but it has to be pointed out.
We have came to a point where “statistically speaking” has become totally meaningless in this case when apply to Amber, where she has already got caught lying blatantly under oath and committing perjury multiple times in this court.
Which only makes what Amber is doing here all the more despicable.
Rottenborn scored some huge points on the JD cross & I was really disappointed in Depp tbh. Later found out that it was more scummy, underhanded tactics by Amber's team that really should be landing them in deep shit. The texts they used to show JD being sexually aggressive were about 'Molly' which is ecstasy, not a human being. The messages were also listed as 'incoming' rather than the 'outgoing' that they were on all the other JD texts. The texts were almost word for word the same language Amber Heard had used in a sign the had made for another picture with the 'I WANT. I NEED. I TAKE.'. Click here for a link showing a visual representation of this.
The photograph Rottenborn used to show Depp having a facial injury before the train journey, thus showing JD to have lied about getting the injury from Amber on the train, was a fecking altered photograph.
Here's the version of the photo Rottenborn used to show Depp lied about getting the black eye later on from Amber.
And here's Johnny with no black eye whatsoever.
Honestly, whilst I wasn't insane enough to side with Amber, Rottenborn's cross did make me doubt Depp & put me more toward the middle of them both being liars. It's a shame that the only way Amber's team can score points is through deception. They're scum just like her.
The photograph Rottenborn used to show Depp having a facial injury before the train journey, thus showing JD to have lied about getting the injury from Amber on the train, was a fecking altered photograph.
Here's the version of the photo Rottenborn used to show Depp lied about getting the black eye later on from Amber.
And here's Johnny with no black eye whatsoever.
Honestly, whilst I wasn't insane enough to side with Amber, Rottenborn's cross did make me doubt Depp & put me more toward the middle of them both being liars. It's a shame that the only way Amber's team can score points is through deception. They're scum just like her.
The above conspiracy theory is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have read so far in this trial.
As has Johnny Depp (the latest of which was the text messages he sent). So whose word do we take ?
Not even comparable to all those blatant lies and perjury Amber has committed, no matter how you want to twisted it. Safe to say at this point over 99% of neutral wouldn’t trust Amber words.
Only you could look at a clearly detailed breakdown & call it a conspiracy theory.
If the sent text messages theory is true then Depp and his team really fecked up. They had access to the texts all this time and still went with "someone else could have used the phone" defense on the re-direct. No mention of Molly being slang for MDMA either. In fact, Depp even said "I don't know who Molly is" at one point.
any true addict would deny knowing who Molly is to be fair
Depp's problem is that he became way too argumentative and overconfident in himself. People liked his first testimony because it felt genuine and from the heart. He used some snarkiness here and there but it was little and it felt genuine. But this time it seems like he tried to score some cheap points trying to argue with Rottenborn in reminiscence of his past testimony. He should have just owned it and said "yeah, I send some shitty texts while I was venting to my friend, that nobody except the two us were meant to see, at a low moment. Not proud of it, but nobody's perfect". It would have even made him more endearing.
I mean, that's not a lie. There's a difference between knowing some person named Molly and actual pills named molly (which we know Depp used). I'm not sure Depp put two and two together.
The only tactics Heard and her team know are deception and smearing. Was always going to go back to that well.
It was a mess up by Depp's team not to catch that the Molly texts were incoming in a group chat. They should have been on high alert for dirty tricks.
It was a mess up by Depp's team not to catch that the Molly texts were incoming in a group chat. They should have been on high alert for dirty tricks.
Yeah, because it's neither relevant to the case, and didn't really do much in favour of Deppo, other than refute some petty rumours.
When you think of what the actual case is about, it offered nothing.
I'd have thought being able to refute it directly, then getting to ask Heard about her physically abusing her ex-wife and then calling the police officer who witnessed it and arrested her would be a good exchange..
Although the judge was 'convinced' into not allowing reference to the arrest / the fact the witness was a police officer
I think it may help to show Amber testimony isn’t really trustworthy.
Water is wet
Umm, she refuted Amber's gross lie on the stand that Johnny pushed Moss down the stairs. I think that's pretty fecking relevant, especially given that this whole case, more or less, relies on Amber's word.
People aren't seeing the big picture.
Heard's psychologist says she was only violent as a reaction to Depp being abusive, saying that she was never violent in previous relationships.
The judge didn't open the door to the ex-wife incident.
Heard herself mentions Kate Moss. This opens the door to exes. Depp was prepared for it.
They had Kate Moss to refute the claim, Depp to contextualise as Heard being histrionic.
They could get Heard to deny the alleged incident on the stand and then get a witness to testify that they saw her abuse her wife.
Showed the psychologist just believes Heard, Heard lies, Depp didn't abuse his ex, Heard abused hers etc.
It's not reactive violence from Heard. She's just the abusive one
Heard's psychologist says she was only violent as a reaction to Depp being abusive, saying that she was never violent in previous relationships.
The judge didn't open the door to the ex-wife incident.
Heard herself mentions Kate Moss. This opens the door to exes. Depp was prepared for it.
They had Kate Moss to refute the claim, Depp to contextualise as Heard being histrionic.
They could get Heard to deny the alleged incident on the stand and then get a witness to testify that they saw her abuse her wife.
Showed the psychologist just believes Heard, Heard lies, Depp didn't abuse his ex, Heard abused hers etc.
It's not reactive violence from Heard. She's just the abusive one
Heard didn't say it actually happened though as far as I am aware, merely that she heard rumours about it and was worried the same would happen to her sister during an altercation.
Which was why I found it all a bit overblown, all this about rumours.
No, she never said she relied on rumors. This is her Kate Moss mention:
Obviously she tried to present it as "fact" that was now refuted.
Telling me you haven’t watch the trial without telling me you haven’t watch the trial
What happened yesterday with the photo expert was really nasty.
For people who don't know: Heard was meant to submit her electric devices for forensic analysis back in November. She ignored the court order.
It was agreed that they would be submitted to be cloned under the supervision of her expert and a neutral lawyer, who would determine which files were relevant to the case.
Since she failed to comply up until April she just sent what she felt was relevant, which was over 50,000 images, which were often repeats of each other which meta data changed.
Given the way that they sent it he was unable to go into anything other than that they had been through editing software and he was unable to validate the originals. Heard's team objected whenever he was trying to make wider points using his expertise.
They created the problem and then used the problem to mask the deception. Then tried to use that to discredit the expert.
It's actually disgusting. It also shows how terrible the judge was in the UK to accept this evidence uncritically.
For people who don't know: Heard was meant to submit her electric devices for forensic analysis back in November. She ignored the court order.
It was agreed that they would be submitted to be cloned under the supervision of her expert and a neutral lawyer, who would determine which files were relevant to the case.
Since she failed to comply up until April she just sent what she felt was relevant, which was over 50,000 images, which were often repeats of each other which meta data changed.
Given the way that they sent it he was unable to go into anything other than that they had been through editing software and he was unable to validate the originals. Heard's team objected whenever he was trying to make wider points using his expertise.
They created the problem and then used the problem to mask the deception. Then tried to use that to discredit the expert.
It's actually disgusting. It also shows how terrible the judge was in the UK to accept this evidence uncritically.