This thought is actually growing on me. Hope it has no substance.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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Yes men who won’t rock the boat too much that have already totally ripped up the scouting and negotiation departments in their 3 months in charge.
Almost like you made it up.
Yea, it seems a continuation of this ‘halfway house’ strategy we’ve had since Woody’s been here. Hoping it changes with ETH now though.
Now get Edwin to sign up and we are rocking.
Leipzig is one of the best run clubs in Germany. Pretty much only topped by Bayern. He was the main mind behind building that club, so to say he has no specialized knowledge is quite ignorant.
We have Ten Hag, we wouldnt need Rangnicks input on the in game, and coaching department. But we also know that our training facilities etc are not up to snuff, and there he could have given us valuable insights.
That having been said, if Ten Hag believes he wants these things done his own way and Murtough and Fletch listen to him, then I am not overly fussed about Rangnick leaving.
I am just annoyed that we then, effectively, wasted this season.
It amazes me how badly run this club continues to be. There are very experienced football people we could have hired, from CEOs to DOFs. We continue to appoint internally, drawing from a culture of failure. I hope to be proven wrong, but see little sign of things improving. Murtough was at the club for 7 years before becoming DoF, what is the great achievement he delivered at the club over this period? Then we appoint Flether who doesnt even have a coaching badge. Its shambolic and amuteurish. Any owner who cared would have cleared out the lost and brought in the best.
ETH seems a good manager but one person cannot turn the club around. The recent articles in the TImes exposing the absolute mess at the club and the incompetence of Woodward are shocking, though merely confirming what we all suspected. It highlight a culture of penny pinching and scrutinising all expenditure, such as not paying Moyes release clause and charging players for soft drinks from a mini bar. I think this attitude contines when it comes to non playing staff recruitment. I am beginning to despair at the club even being competititve under the current owners.
I feel we are on a similar drama level right now, it's just not done public into a microphone but by leaking stories from the dressing room, infighting between player groups, sabotaging the coach, in short we produce a lot of unnecessary drama without anyone being the official face of it though.
Yeah not seeing it. Think that's ridiculous.
He spent his tenure throwing players under the bus. Said we needed 10 new players.
That must have been great for the dressing room morale.
Its clear enough now all Ragnick wanted to do was come out with a clean reputation so he can land other gigs. Blamed everything on the players and fecked off.
Consulting isnt a meaningful role, because it has 0 authority.
Consulting our board on footballing matters is about as effective as me consulting the missus on where to go on holiday.
Its a Mark Goldbridge narrative. Its laughable some Getman dude in his 60s can help us convince RB players to join a club where he is a part time consultant.
If you want to contact players, you call their agent.
Who is now handling negotiations? Our scouts supposedly left of their own volition
I am yet to hear of anyone with a credible track record who has been recruited to a senior role (on the management side of things). Until that happens there is very little change other than murtoughs responsibility expanding. It all smacks of oles cultural reboot at the moment, tinkering around the edges to convince fans things are changing while those who currently have power retain it
Also what's this 3 months in charge about, was murtough not in his role most of last year
Ralf is 67 years old. Are you telling us he took a job he is not qualified for? Why? He was hired as a manager, not as a director, not a contractor, as a manager. Why did he accept?
Because he is a fraud. That's why.
"Recruited into the wrong role"... like he is some kid that was misled. He is 67, it is not like he doesn't know what a football manager is and he was "recruited" into the unknown.
This old man was paid millions to do a job and he failed miserably. That's it, nothing else.
The current leadership of Arnold/Murtough were under the overlord Woodward until February. Ergo they weren’t actually leadership. Although for clarities sake all reports are that Woodward let them make the call on hiring Rangnick as he wouldn’t be working with him for more than about a month.
All we know for a fact is the “chief negotiator” is gone literally anybody could be doing that now, and we wouldn’t know. Just as we don’t know who does for City. Or Liverpool. It’s a job that’s usually done by some lawyer or other within the club.
You’ve decided to take known incompetence leaving as a negative, bet you’re fun at parties.
It truly is fecking bizarre to see the amount of conspiracy theories pop up just because Ralf is fecking off. Apparently, the solution here seems to be anything but the obvious. Surely it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Ralf has been an utter disaster at the club, or that Ten Hag has been anything but positive about Ralf’s role at the club, he’s been as dismissive as he can be without saying it outright for fecks sake.
It is utterly fecking bizarre how some people survive in this world but miss the very basic point that Rangnick's appeal was on the footballing director side, not as a coach.
His performance as a manager has nothing to do with what's happened here. All the flaming on how he only talks a good game is also misguided. That's exactly the type of guy you want advising United's failed football hierarchy of the past 10 years. Not to mention the fact we may have had better chance of getting RB players like Nkunku.
And one more thing. I love how Rangnick's short tenure as a manager is held against him but Murtough being here for the 10 years we've been failing since Moyes is somehow ignored.
Some people just refuse to use their brains because they just cannot look past the dumb British journos who are in the pocket of the pricks who caused us to have our worst season in 30 years.
He is very much not the fraud and the ease that people use that term about someone - who is a well respected football man - is concerning.
He probably took the job because it was an offer that few people can refuse. And he probably thought he would do well and that it will give him a foothold in one of the world's biggest clubs.
That is the best case scenario
Makes us look stupid in my opinion. All this talk about how he we be perfect for the club in his role working with the new manager, and then we go and fire him before any of that happens. Typical modern United.
We all hoped for Ragnick and Mitchell for requitment this summer. Now its all on Fletcher and Murtough, who has been here before and been part of so much horrible work over the years. Ten Hag had Overmars and Van der Sar in Ajax for the job, now he has amateurs. Lets hope Ten Hag already had 3-4 targets for each position he wanted to strengthen when he signed for us. If not he is fecked.
The board and glazers only want people who keep the pretense up.
I bet they've sold ten hag a heap of promises which they don't intend to keep, they're instead hoping ten hag can polish turd.
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Consultants are paid an awful lot of money to diagnose areas for development and facilitate improvement. This is across a range of professions and industries. By all means discount this advice (I’m as cynical towards consultants as you’ll find), but they continue to get work, therefore the role has meaning.
I doubt if any football fans will even notice. Storm in a teacup.
Yes but ETH will have the final say on the transfers -- just like he had with Overmars.
Stupid move
Literally every non United fan I’ve spoken to has been saying for weeks that surely we wouldn’t actually keep him around after he stunk out the joint like he did. We look more competent now than we did a week ago.
I guess they wanted to make the decision processes more streamlined. Based on the conversations between Rangnick and ETH they clearly have different visions/philosophies in how the game needs to be played -- and the players needed for their respective philosophies.
Who Rangnick fancies, ETH didn't -- not surprising since one is a geggenpress approach and the other is more dutch tiki-taka with a twist of pressing.
So the board probably figured that it would be easier to just give ETH the team he wants plus Ralf I am sure didnt exactly endear himself to the Board with the team performance plus his press interviews.
It says a lot about where we were
The consulting idea was always pointless in my opinion. Couldn't see how it would work. You think ten Hag is going to pick up the phone and say, "I have this idea, can I run it past you?". The only way I could see any value in it is if Fletcher was removed due to having no credentials as Technical Director and Ralph was given such a role. This seems to be where most say his strengths lie. People are saying he was useless as a coach, but to me I put it down to these players, so it's hard to judge him as a coach based on this spell.
Ten Hag doesn’t want Ralf at the club, Ten Hag doesn’t need Ralf at the club and Ten Hag doesn’t give a flying feck about the list of naughty players that Underachieving Ralf has produced, nor should anyone else really. We already have a long list of players leaving the club, we have a finite amount of money available and the only viable outcome is that the manager will give the remaining players the opportunity to prove that they still have something to offer the club. Ten Hag’s tolerance level is about feck all, i have complete faith in him getting rid of every single player that fails to meet his requirements
The «very basic point» is worthless. There’s basic points behind pretty much every decision we’ve made as a club, things change and you act accordingly.
Yes, Ralf’s appeal was his behind the scenes work, by all means, just as the appeal was vastly overrated to begin with, apparently it’s impossible to become successfull again without the assistance of Ralf. It reminds me a bit of a stunt in Oslo with up a small popup coffee shop in a trendy neighbourhood, selling very exclusive coffee, refusing to reveal the name of it. Hipsters were lined up, there were large queues of people, people being interviewed and claiming it was the best coffee they’ve ever tasted, then it turned out it was a grocery store brand. Ralfs hype is without merit, just as the fecking coffee.
The initial plan was fine, interim manager and then move upstairs as a consultant afterwards, help shape and modernise the club, very few of us thought that was a bad idea. All good so far.
Sadly, apart from a few one off performances, pretty much our first two under Ralf, we were as poor as we were under Ole, yet for some strange reason people insist we’re much better, pretty much ignoring every stat indicating the exact opposite. Improving in every end of the team, we were. I tried pointing out the glaringly obvious, people decided to ignore it on the basis of the result itself. Most people just react too slowly in regards to the information that is available.
His overall performance as an interim manager was, unfortunately, an absolute disaster, both on the pitch and off it. He went into damage control mode and started blaming the surroundings, calling out players, creating more noise and negative attention, creating an even bigger distance between himself and the players he was supposed to be getting the best out of. Doesn’t really require much intelligence to see why this isn’t a good idea, even if he was 100% correct or not. Yes, we have obvious problems within the squad, the role of the manager is to sort it out and improve it, not ramp it up. So people change the narrative, apparently we went from obviously improving under Ralf to Ralf doing a brilliant job exposing the real problems at the club and if they weren’t exposed like this then nothing would change. Everything Ralf said at the beginning was no longer important. Brilliant, just brilliant, no flaws whatsoever with that logic. No idea why Klopp didn’t think of that in his first season with Liverpool.
I get that it tickles your balls when someone says what you want to hear, but how on earth anyone can take Ralf seriously is beyond me, he went from United needing to make a few correct transfers over two years to needing to replace the whole fecking squad apart from the goalkeeper within a week. In every interview Ten Hag has made after being appointed, he’s been fairly dismissive of Ralf, both the job he’s done as interim manager and the role as a consultant. Yet some are desperate to believe that Ralf has exposed too much and that the higher ups are afraid of the positive job he’s doing
I suspect Rangnick's remit would be to revamp the pathetic recruitment strategy that was developed under Woodward --- where we have spent £1.2B and got very little in return. That wouldn't require a daily input or meetings where he needs to be present. Not on any coaching or team performance areas.
You cant all blame the players -- Fergie wants a tactical genius by a long shot. He was by far less sophisticated in his approach than a Wenger, never mind those like Pep or even Hitzfeld. His strength was in man-management and got the best out of most of his players.
I'm not talking about consultancy in a vacuum. You're not contextualizing.
Ralf Rangnick as a bit part consultant for us is like a 300lbs person asking a personal trainer once in a while if he should eat his french fries with ketchup or mayonaise.
Either you do whatever the feck he says and hire him to be at your beck and call or nothing will change.
I'm a bit fed up with the constant guesswork and reading of people's guesswork on who does what at the club.
All I keep thinking is "You know nothing Jon Snow"
All I keep thinking is "You know nothing Jon Snow"
Pleased to see this decision, the guy has been a complete disaster here and it's better to end it now. It's clear from Ten Hag's press conference that he wasn't overly bothered about his input and the last thing he needs is Rangnick continuing to shoot his mouth off at every opportunity.
This whole consultancy thing was obviously going to be some small, insignificant role anyway so it's no loss.
This whole consultancy thing was obviously going to be some small, insignificant role anyway so it's no loss.
The problem with Rangnick is that he was kind of incompetent as manager.
The players didn't respect his lack of trophies as a coach. And they didn't trust his managerial ability on the pitch. I mean, the guy needed an analyst in Russia to call Armas on the sidelines in order to tell him what was going on in the match. It was all a bit of a shambles.
Now, in an ideal world, the players would be more professional than that. But the world isn't ideal. I would assume a better regarded coach would have a totally different relationship with the players in the same way Ole handled the dressing room completely differently from Jose. In that regard, Rangnick's feedback on the playing staff was always going to be of limited value. I think that's what EtH meant when he was talking about about 'drawing his own line'.
In addition, it looks like Korn Ferry are going to be doing the restructure consultation. All of which means Rangnick was surplus to requirements both in the dugout and the boardroom.
The players didn't respect his lack of trophies as a coach. And they didn't trust his managerial ability on the pitch. I mean, the guy needed an analyst in Russia to call Armas on the sidelines in order to tell him what was going on in the match. It was all a bit of a shambles.
Now, in an ideal world, the players would be more professional than that. But the world isn't ideal. I would assume a better regarded coach would have a totally different relationship with the players in the same way Ole handled the dressing room completely differently from Jose. In that regard, Rangnick's feedback on the playing staff was always going to be of limited value. I think that's what EtH meant when he was talking about about 'drawing his own line'.
In addition, it looks like Korn Ferry are going to be doing the restructure consultation. All of which means Rangnick was surplus to requirements both in the dugout and the boardroom.
Korn Ferry -- is that confirmed?
If Romano is correct, it seems ten Hag might have ended the consultancy role.
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Not confirmed by the club. But it is being reported by The Torygraph.
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