Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp | Depp wins on all 3 counts

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This is something that bothers me in this case. In all the 8000 texts they combed through, he doesn't send these obscene messages to Heard. A lot of people, not saying you here btw, are acting like he said these things directly to her. He sent them in private during a time of suffering I can't even pretend I can imagine & then, mysteriously, his 8000 texts fell into the lap of her legal team.
And not a single or email from Heard since she failed to comply with the discovery order
 

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Wasn't he just court ordered to give up his messages just like she was court ordered to give up the images?
I don't believe so. It would be odd that they'd order that & not also get hold of her texts. If you can find the court order I'm happy to change my view here but I haven't heard of that being the case.

Edit: Also, I don't believe she was ordered to give up her images either. She volunteered the images as she thought they'd be evidence in her favour & because she wanted to use the images, she was ordered to hand over her devices so the images could be verified. She failed to do so & that's why the meta-data on the images was redacted.
 

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I don't believe so. It would be odd that they'd order that & not also get hold of her texts. If you can find the court order I'm happy to change my view here but I haven't heard of that being the case.

Edit: Also, I don't believe she was ordered to give up her images either. She volunteered the images as she thought they'd be evidence in her favour & because she wanted to use the images, she was ordered to hand over her devices so the images could be verified. She failed to do so & that's why the meta-data on the images was redacted.
She had his documents from the UK trial. From what I have heard his first UK team shared the full documents with the Sun, who shared them with Heard. It was a massive mess up.

Heard was ordered to comply with the discovery request by the end of November and didn't. That may have led to relevant texts and emails.

I guess she really didn't want the world to see them.
 

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Amber Heard has the same relationship with the truth that Donald Trump does.
 

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How can a relationship be mutually abusive when there is a huge power imbalance between the two people involved? Is a woman who hits back at her abusive husband in your everyday domestic setting in a 'mutually abusive relationship'? You only have to look at his legions of fans frothing at the mouth to discredit Heard and declare their incessant love for Depp to realise he knew exactly what he was doing when the decided to take the case to the American courts and televise the whole thing, and see the immense gulf in status and fame between the two.

I find it worrying so many people choose to ignore Heard's testimony that he abused her, sexually assaulted her and sent texts talking about defiling her corpse, and instead dismiss it as the kind of account made by a hysterical and narcissistic woman who is seeking vengeance on her ex-husband. This is also the narrative perpetuated by supporters of Woody Alan and Bill Cosby and was the initial rebuttal from attorneys of Harvey Weinstein before it transpired he had been on a rampage of abuse and exploitation for years. What kind of precedent does this set for other women that choose to (or following this case choose not to) speak out about their experiences and abuse?
Normally that would be the stance most neutral people might take should they have never followed the trial at all. But having after following through the trial, it may open up your eyes into something totally new where you may have never seen/heard before (not even from movies). It may even reach to a point where you may find it worrying instead if some people choose to believe anything from her testimony at all.

No offense but I suggest you to watch the trial first before make any judgement.
 

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:lol: good point
I suppose their 'sanction' was not being able to show metadata to prove the legitimacy of their evidence. Doesn't really work in a situation where your evidence isn't legitimate & the last thing you want is some expert probing around your metadata & extracting all your text messages etc. Really does seem like she failed to comply & then benefited from the punishment for not complying.
 

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This might have been discussed previously in the thread, but why didn’t the tapes where she was caught on tape saying “I didn’t mean to hurt him” after his finger was cut off in Australia used as evidence?
 

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This might have been discussed previously in the thread, but why didn’t the tapes where she was caught on tape saying “I didn’t mean to hurt him” after his finger was cut off in Australia used as evidence?
They stipulated to not including audio recordings of third parties taken without their permission.

She's talking while Kipper and Lloyd are, then later Judge enters the conversation.
 

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They stipulated to not including audio recordings of third parties taken without their permission.

She's talking while Kipper and Lloyd are, then later Judge enters the conversation.
Yeah, I heard the recordings a while back expecting them to eventually be put forward. Also think I remember Kipper saying(I think it was him) saying that cuts/scars on her arms seemed to be coming from self harm

Shame that it was decided to not be included as it would have been pretty damning for Heard
 

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Yeah, I heard the recordings a while back expecting them to eventually be put forward. Also think I remember Kipper saying(I think it was him) saying that cuts/scars on her arms seemed to be coming from self harm

Shame that it was decided to not be included as it would have been pretty damning for Heard
Yes it's very damning. Once again shows her up as a liar.
 

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Yeah, I heard the recordings a while back expecting them to eventually be put forward. Also think I remember Kipper saying(I think it was him) saying that cuts/scars on her arms seemed to be coming from self harm
You can't really say that for sure. Most of self-harm injuries, from those I've seen go horizontally across the arm whereas those that I've seen are vertical. However, in the pictures I've seen the wounds are on the left forearm. Amber Heard's right handed (or at least she's taking invisible notes with her right hand) which would be consistent with self-harm injuries whereas defensive wounds aren't lateralized from what I've seen, but if they were, it would logically be more prominent on the dominant side, ie the right.
 

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How long does this dumb topic trial take and why is anyone able to stay interested in it. Two fecked up people treat each other in a very fecked up way. Let's pick sides and argue endlessly about it on the internet.

I definitely still would btw.
 

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How long does this dumb topic trial take and why is anyone able to stay interested in it. Two fecked up people treat each other in a very fecked up way. Let's pick sides and argue endlessly about it on the internet.

I definitely still would btw.
I believe it's over barring the jury deliberations. I haven't followed closely but from what I have read, Heard will likely "win" (in so far as she will not have to pay Depp any damages), but both parties seem to have come out of this with their careers effectively ruined, so it's really a lose-lose.

I don't really care for either of them as actors (and they both appear to be pretty terrible human beings), but it does strike me as a curious act of self-sabotage on both their parts.
 

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I believe it's over barring the jury deliberations. I haven't followed closely but from what I have read, Heard will likely "win" (in so far as she will not have to pay Depp any damages), but both parties seem to have come out of this with their careers effectively ruined, so it's really a lose-lose.

I don't really care for either of them as actors (and they both appear to be pretty terrible human beings), but it does strike me as a curious act of self-sabotage on both their parts.
I actually really like Johnny Depp as an actor. Though not so much the whole Pirates 1,2,3,45,6,7,8,9 etc. I have no idea what Amber Heard has done except that Aquaman movie, but she seems like a generic pretty nothing actress.

I'm proud to declare I still don't know who is sueing who over what. Though I do know it's about domestic abuse.
 

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90% chance at least one of them is.
What happens if one of them is a rampant fan of Depp ( Subscribes to Subreddits such as r/Justiceforjohnnydepp ) and one is more "neutral/balanced" ( Subscribes to r/Deuxmoi and probably r/DeppDelusion) and they refuse to agree and only push their own agenda?

Does everyone have to agree for a verdict?
 

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What happens if one of them is a rampant fan of Depp ( Subscribes to Subreddits such as r/Justiceforjohnnydepp ) and one is more "neutral/balanced" ( Subscribes to r/Deuxmoi and probably r/DeppDelusion) and they refuse to agree and only push their own agenda?

Does everyone have to agree for a verdict?
If they admit to looking at any of that during the trial they would be kicked off the jury and replaced by an alternate.

If they fail to come to a verdict neither side wins.

If its found out afterwards that a juror is biased, they will get voir dire'd, but the judge will sweep it up.
 

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If they fail to come to a verdict neither side wins
Ok that's interesting considering how polarizing the case seems to be outside the courtroom.

I still believe that Depp will probably lose because as Heards lawyer stated in his closing argument that mutual abuse means that Depp loses and that it doesn't matter if she chopped his finger off with an axe etc.

I guess it will be interesting to hear the jury perspective once its all over , like the OJ jury.
 

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I still believe that Depp will probably lose because as Heards lawyer stated in his closing argument that mutual abuse means that Depp loses and that it doesn't matter if she chopped his finger off with an axe etc.
It's a good argument in a vacuum and one that a defence lawyer is going to make, but logically it doesn't make sense if she's meant to be the figurehead of victims.

There are implications to calling yourself that which undermine that argument.
 

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It's a good argument in a vacuum and one that a defence lawyer is going to make, but logically it doesn't make sense if she's meant to be the figurehead of victims.

There are implications to calling yourself that which undermine that argument.
For her career, this whole thing has been a disaster, but she is very unlikely to lose this case against Depp.
 

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For her career, this whole thing has been a disaster, but she is very unlikely to lose this case against Depp.
Think about what the article is saying.

1) she is a public figure representing domestic violence
2) Hollywood sided with her abuser
3) she spoke out about sexual violence

1) she is by implication saying that she is a victim and Depp is the perpetrator and that it was sustained enough or serious enough to merit public comment
2) since both were continuing to have careers (she was more successful than she'd ever been and published it in her first major studio film with an important role) she was complaining that Depp was still finding work, especially more reasonable an interpretation since it was the height of me too.
3) she republished that she was the victim of sexual violence, which is rape or sexual assault or battery

I don't think a reasonable reading of the article with an implementation instruction sustains a 'one occasion of being yelled at' or even a mutual abuse defence, though if it was proven mutual serious physical abuse no jury would decide against her, I don't think.
 

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How long does this dumb topic trial take and why is anyone able to stay interested in it. Two fecked up people treat each other in a very fecked up way. Let's pick sides and argue endlessly about it on the internet.

I definitely still would btw.
Without context. Do you think this clip is from a sitcom or is it real? :D
 

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Ok that's interesting considering how polarizing the case seems to be outside the courtroom.

I still believe that Depp will probably lose because as Heards lawyer stated in his closing argument that mutual abuse means that Depp loses and that it doesn't matter if she chopped his finger off with an axe etc.

I guess it will be interesting to hear the jury perspective once its all over , like the OJ jury.
Heard's lawyer stated what he's desperate for the jury to find, not what's legally correct. He even rambled on about the first amendment, despite it not covering defamation & just being a totally moot point in this instance. If the jury tie her to the headline, which they almost have to given that she re-published it with adding "I published this today", then they can believe Depp abused her every day of the week & twice on Sundays but still find for him so long as they don't believe her sexual assault story.
 

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Amber Heard's girlfriend, who is banned from the court after doing investigation work which turned out to be a lie and caused Heard's team to mislead the judge, who was then moved away from the legal teams and kept using her phone to live tweet until they removed her, then she snuck back in and they physically removed her and banned her from the court, seems unhappy that Depp is playing gigs with Jeff Beck at the moment.

Apparently she wants victims to behave in a certain way.