Film Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

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Agreed. But painfully pseud takes about the improper creative contextual pacing of film dialogue these days prohibiting anyone from writing anything as titanically majestic as …. “You’re gonna need a bigger boat”… is not it.

Jaws was a blockbuster* and it was a quip. It was also probably an ad-libbed improv by Scheider, so nothing to do with the writing at all.

* Also based on a book. A really really schlocky book.
I think you're sort of missing the point of the post, if it's mine you're referring to. The point I was making is that it's not really the line/writing itself that makes a memorable quote, it's everything around it. The reason that line from Jaws is particularly memorable is because it's unexpected, delivered well and it sticks out in the context of that scene (and the film), not because it's a particularly clever line. If it was an ad-lib where the actor decided to try a quip and they kept it because worked, that sort of proves my point. In a Marvel film, that line would always be a quip and we'd all be expecting one because that's what happens in those situations in Marvel films. Even if they went all out and wrote something better than the usual "Well THAT just happened" kinda thing, it'd be unlikely to stick out as an individual line because it's so predictable, and because it'll be one of several similar moments in the film.

Having said that, I agree that "Marvel films don't have memorable dialogue" is a weak criticism, even if I broadly agree with the statement. The idea that memorable dialogue is what makes a film good or bad is daft. That's no better summed up then in the video posted further up where the guy is seemingly earnestly arguing Aquaman isn't as good as The Godfather on the grounds that no-one can remember any lines from Aquaman.
 

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As is the Jurassic Park one, also used as an example of great bygone film dialogue on this page…. Basically all the righteous culture wallies are proving is they don’t read enough books.
Hey I read half of it!

Either way my point wasn't really about dialogue. I was more so trying to highlight that what makes memorable dialogue is often good pacing and the pacing of marvel movies is really frenetic and means any ability to have memorable dialogue gets lost in between all the action or cool set-pieces. That's something older movies didn't struggle with as much because nascent CGI meant you couldn't rely on action to dominate the film. It was always a balance between drama and action parts, which is why I mentioned Spielberg because he was fantastic at pacing his stuff.
 
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Thought I'd leave this here given it all belongs to the same category.

Probably be better if you only kept 3. They haven't made a back to the future movie in 30 years or something. Who cares about more Lord of the Ring films? Harry Potter fans seem to wish it was finished.
I'm a fan of half the series but think the movie industry would be drastically improved with all of them gone forever.
 

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Fast and Furious, Avatar and Jurassic Park are odd ones out there. There's one great movie out of all of them. Fast and Furious is a dumber Marvel and Avatar was a standard story told in brilliant 3D. Jurassic Park was a great movie and 5 bad(ish) sequels.
 

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Well, as superficial as it is, I want to see and take my kid to the Avatar films coming up, she loves it, so I’d definitely lose Fast and Furious. Next would be Back to the Future. Good but not great. Doesn’t need to be seen again. After that it’s a tough call. I’m looking forward to the Lord of the Rings series on Amazon and those films are fantastic, so wouldn’t want to lose them forever. There’s only really been one good Indians Jones movie, so probably that. Shame though because I love raiders. Toss up between that and DC, but that’s saved by the Nolan trilogy, latest Suicide squad, peacemaker, and the potential for more R rated fare.
 

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Thought I'd leave this here given it all belongs to the same category.

Harry potter, avatar and Jurassic park. Easy.
Probably be better if you only kept 3. They haven't made a back to the future movie in 30 years or something. Who cares about more Lord of the Ring films? Harry Potter fans seem to wish it was finished.
I'm a fan of half the series but think the movie industry would be drastically improved with all of them gone forever.

Films, no. But there's a new TV series coming out that should be pretty exciting!
 

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Harry potter, avatar and Jurassic park. Easy.



Films, no. But there's a new TV series coming out that should be pretty exciting!
Why? JRR Tolkien didn't write it. Its become the most generic fantasy world in existence. Dont see the attraction
 

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Why? JRR Tolkien didn't write it. Its become the most generic fantasy world in existence. Dont see the attraction
One of if the not the biggest budget ever given to a TV show if I'm not mistaken.
 

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Avatar (couldn't care any less about the sequels)
Fast and the Furious (never watched one, never will)
007 (there are some I like but in 60 years they haven't moved on from the same formula of gadgets, explosions and women)
 

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Probably be better if you only kept 3. They haven't made a back to the future movie in 30 years or something. Who cares about more Lord of the Ring films? Harry Potter fans seem to wish it was finished.
I'm a fan of half the series but think the movie industry would be drastically improved with all of them gone forever.
Get out….fool of a took.
 

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I don't think there is a cinema in Belfast that is showing anything other than the latest Jurassic Park film this weekend.

This is another result of marvel ruining cinema. Studios now forcing cinemas to only show their latest fast food film every 15 minutes of the day on every screen in order to boost about how successful they are

Meanwhile people looking for a quality film have no option