His injury? Yes
The effect of his injury 18 months after? So bad that he can't even run?
Rashford considering his future...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The effect of his injury 18 months after? So bad that he can't even run?
What a bunch of shitty fans we have. Disputing injuries that were well reported. Having gone for surgeries and going through rehab for a few months.... now being disputed. We really live in a post-Trumpian fake news world.
Lumbar strees fractures recovery can take up to a year. But it's not a condition with 100% recovery rate, for all we know he could have chronic pain or it took longer for a variety of reasons, an athlete may never comeback in the same state he was before the injury.
Yes he was crap last season but so was everyone else, think he's done enough before to deserve another chance to find his form,
impossible to just replace the whole squad in 1 summer
impossible to just replace the whole squad in 1 summer
I had one, the important thing is to not do anything stressful on your back for 6-8 months. That's what Rashford didn't do and it is possible that he still has some pain, but no, it should not take 18 months, not even for an athlete that sleeps in the best condition, recovers using ice and stuff, trains in the best condition, etc.
Once for all, his issue is not his injury but his attitude. The best thing for him this year is that Pogba and Lingard have both left. Let's hope he stops wearing gold chains with his name on them and focuses more on the job he's being paid to do, otherwise I don't see him at the club next year at all.
It's to 4 to 6 weeks before returning to sport not 6 to 8 months. And generally 6 to 12 months in order to get back to previous form and it's more difficult for an athlete due to the thin margin, an athlete losing a little big of athleticism means a lot while it means next to nothing for a non-athletes.
As for the rest, it invalidates all your opinions.
Wasn't crap just last season he's been crap since the 2nd half of season 2020/21. He's been out of form for over a year and a half.
I came very close to being done with him last season, but the beginning of the clearout, the arrival of a quality coach and the new staff has really given me a lift, if Rashy really is going to buy in to the new methods and put in 100% at all times, Im ok with forgetting last season and moving on. It will need a big change in his attitude though.
I love it when people read diagonally and respond vertically, but let's not bother.
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Tottenham have opened discussions with Manchester United and England forward Marcus Rashford, 24, over a move to north London. (Caught Offside)
Wth is Caught Offside? Reliable?
as reliable as my goldfish
Yeah sure, that's what happened.
Rashford is going to stay. He'll get another chance and its up to him to take it. The club can't afford to let him go and realistically he won't have any offer, that comes close to what he has at United.
If he finds form again, great, otherwise it doesn't really matter if his performance is caused by injury or something else.
If he finds form again, great, otherwise it doesn't really matter if his performance is caused by injury or something else.
And his bad form started a year after his back injury.
The bad form started because he was playing injured most of that season.
The biggest disappointment was his attitude last season just seemed low on confidence and wasn't putting the effort in so he needs a good pre-season and start next season well if he's going to turn things round, just think it's too early to write him off now.
I feel it's time for Rashford to either move on, which might be best for club and player or settle for a place on the bench. I always thought, yes he's potential but, a lot of his shortcomings seem to be things which should be natural to a forward - lacking that "footballing brain" we talk about - poor decision making and not decisive enough. No way is he clinical enough to be our number 9. So what's his best position? Cutting in from the left? I think he prefers the left. Right now we need wingers who will actually cross and create opportunities for Ronaldo from the wings - he's never looked very good at that. Sancho looks best on the left - even though I thought we were signing him for the right which we have not addressed in years. Elanga says he favours the left - they all want to play on the left. I don't think Elanga is good enough (yet) by the way, he's only shown a little potential. We do need a squad though - Rashford can be satisfied with a more minor role, or move on - that's the way I feel. If we want to get back to winning things I can't see it happening with Rashford as a starter.
The smartest thing is sell him now. Especially if his awful performance for the past year and a half is injury related. Chances are he will become unsaleable next summer and we will once again miss out on an easy 50 million. And his wages are hilarious as it is.
Sell and replace.
More than being annoyed or frustrated with Rash, I've always felt sad and disappointed with his performances off late, I absolutely love an academy product doing well, especially with everything we know he does off the pitch, makes him really likeable to me.
I'm hoping against hope that it was just all the uncertainty and incompetence around him that had an affect on him, and under the right management and coaching, he's going to be a very useful player for us.
I'm hoping against hope that it was just all the uncertainty and incompetence around him that had an affect on him, and under the right management and coaching, he's going to be a very useful player for us.
I've got a similar fracture as Rashford from what my memory of his was, and mine came around 15-16 years ago. Due to not being able to train my back muscles i use a cane for short walks and a wheelchair if i dont feel like torturing myself.
Training muscles in the back will reduce the pains and increase the ability to move around, but if it is the same he will always carry a fair bit of pains, and as games go on his back will hurt more and more.
Surgery for a person with an immune system can at best reduce pains for a couple of years before making things worse.
I'm betting Rashford plays through the pains, but of course they limit him.
I thought at the time when he kept getting picked with the original injuries it was a foolish move I have no doubt of his desire I think he's suffering because he is physically wrecked from all the stress on his back.
Just hope he can strengthen up now to return to form.
Just hope he can strengthen up now to return to form.
People are furious cause guy posted a video of him exercising. Weird fanbase.
If they do limit him then I can't see much point tying him down to a long term contract. Rashfords main strength was his explosive pace and if that's going to suffer I don't think he has enough other attributes to make up for this deficiency. We seem to be a club run on sentiment instead of being ruthless which is what we need if we ever want to get back to the top.
Assuming there is a club that would pay 50m€, that he'd agree to join. I don't see that at all.
His contract also runs out next summer, so he won't be "stuck" at United. If he starts the season well, the club should extend his contract and otherwise let him go next summer. United are also already short on quality attackers and there are only so many things the club can do this summer. Even if he stays, United need to buy another attacking player.
I think his performances have been inexcusable for a while, but if you axe every player, who showed appalling performances, you'd let go all but a handful of players. That just doesn't work. At least Rashford has shown, that he can perform well at some point in the past.
What I didnt like at all from last season was the visible attitude he showe on the pitch, flinging his arms in the air at every opportunity, sauntering about for most of each game.
That and his decision making was horrendous far more often than not. The minute he realises he cant beat 3 players at once and plays smarter, then perhaps he can rediscover his form. We are light up front so cant exactly offload him as well this summer, let's be realistic folks.
That and his decision making was horrendous far more often than not. The minute he realises he cant beat 3 players at once and plays smarter, then perhaps he can rediscover his form. We are light up front so cant exactly offload him as well this summer, let's be realistic folks.
That is a fair point of view.
His limitations, assuming the information i've read over time is correct, will prevent him from reaching new heights. With enough painkillers i suspect he can play at his current level for a fairly long time, but expecting him to be back to his best over a long period of time would be unrealistic. Some of that could come in good days, at best in a few games in a row here and there.
Feel like it has to be mentioned, I'm no medical expert at all. Maybe on the forefront of being a patient experienced with living with pains but that's about it. The information that came out before about his spinal break could also have been wrong, or been misremembered.
What does your goldfish say, who is going to be our 1st transfer?
Good to see him putting in the work in although i'd guess most pros are doing similar to keep topped up ahead of pre season so it's not so grueling for them. But what can't happen is him casually strolling around the pitch this season and no amount of workout videos is going to help him there. If he shows desire and puts in an effort on the pitch then hopefully fans will ease off him which could allow him to play more freely again.
He will stay and hopefully play better. There is absolutely no way the club gets rid of him when you consider the current attacking/wide oypions. Absolutely no way.
...as a politician you mean?
As a footballer he's finished
As a footballer he's finished
Is your goldfish named Choccy?
I live the difference in narratives for rashford and pogba last season.
Pogba was deemed lazy and lacking desire for not chasing things down on the pitch but rashford was seen as just lacking confidence for behaving the same way.
Pogba was deemed lazy and lacking desire for not chasing things down on the pitch but rashford was seen as just lacking confidence for behaving the same way.
It's not that simple. Rashford hasn't always been a lazy player, but recently he has become one and there has to be reasons for that. Lack of confidence, lack of motivation, feelings of disillusionment towards the club or the manager, or maybe his injuries have taken something away from him that will never come back.
None of us can know the answer to that, but it's stupid to write off a player who has previously delivered for us but then struggled while the club and himself were going through tough times. I think it would be wise to give him a season in what, we hope, will now be an environment where a player has a better chance of flourishing. Not just Rashford either, every player that's still here. If they aren't willing to work I suspect they'll be watching our games from the sidelines.
Yeah because Rashford didn't get criticism for being lazy and lacking work rate, never.
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Rashford under Conte? 
Well, that would be interesting. But Spurs would suit him actually. London, more mouths to feed than in Manchester, playing in CL and no pressure with trophies.
Well, that would be interesting. But Spurs would suit him actually. London, more mouths to feed than in Manchester, playing in CL and no pressure with trophies.
He's saying Rashford played with a back injury for 12 months and then went into surgery.
Rashford got his back injury in January 2020 and didn't play again till June the same year. He went into surgery a year later for his shoulder injury 2 months after the season had ended.
Athlete visibly downs tools during season while grossly underperforming.
Redcafe loses its shit and is justifiably wary of any PR-driven efforts by said athlete to get fans to forget the blatant disrespect shown last season.
I think it's widely accepted that Rashford suffered a double stress fracture on his back which could be confirmed by him being seen carrying a fracture healing machine. To be honest until this day I still find it weird seeing the photo. Was it a cry for help letting the world know of his injury because surely the responsibility would lie with the medical staff in taking care of any medical equipment and not a player carrying it off the bus? I'm not sharing a conspiracy theory. It's simply just a personal observation that stuck with me which is why for me it's not misremembered the extent of his injury.
On the other hand Rashford himself said it was the first time in a long time he was playing injury free. Of course those type of injuries can still cause discomfort but if that was Rashfords problem last season then no amount of coaching will change the fact he's a spent force unless he's doped up to the eyeballs which would probably threaten his health in the long term. Is it worth it to him in the long run?
Either way I think he has to step back and evaluate what the future holds for him. The club as well before they even think about extending his contract. Lack of motivation or longterm injury worries shold be put under the microscope and acted upon no matter the player involved. If not, nothing is going to change at the club and we'll still be playing catchup another decade down the line.