Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[NewYorkRed]

If De Jong arrives, he's another DiMaria, in the sense that he wants to stay at his current club. United cruise downtown to pay top dollar for reluctant clients.

How original. Obviously DiMaria is the only player in the history of sports who has left his team unwillingly. Oh wait, I can actually think of two others, a winger and a CAM, who left that very same club unwillingly as well, wonder how they did at their new team….

 

[romufc]

If De Jong arrives, he's another DiMaria, in the sense that he wants to stay at his current club. United cruise downtown to pay top dollar for reluctant clients.

You do realise players mentality and other aspects play a big part in it too?

Di Maria, even though he didn't want to come he still did and wanted to play, LVG kept pushing him into different positions.

Frenkie wants to stay but has said if he has to leave, he would and he knows Ten Hag.

We should judge it on a case by case basis.

 

[AltiUn]

[Ferran Martinez] Barcelona midfielder Frenkie de Jong is being advised by those around him to snub interest from Manchester United

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/videos/fc-barcelona/20220427/1001794164/datos-frenkie-jong.html

Not sure what the reliability for this journalist is.

 

[Vapor trail]

Sure but it does insinuate that Murthough has been working incredibly hard, for weeks and we havent yet even put in a second bid.

So what is he working on?

Romero also said that Murtough has been in contact with Barcelona for a few months. I'll give John the benefit of the doubt in this regard and perhaps rule that there's many variables in place for a transfer to he made.

 

[Van Piorsing]

If De Jong arrives, he's another DiMaria, in the sense that he wants to stay at his current club. United cruise downtown to pay top dollar for reluctant clients.

If De Jong arrives into midfield of Mctominay & Fred, he could have some complications indeed.

Let's say he arrives into midfiled with familiar type of player (Eriksen) and proper DM that fits Ten Hag's system and his chances are hugely boosted under manager who knows him from first steps in big football.

 

[Godfather]

Are we still in the "internally discussing a new bid after the first one got rejected weeks ago" stage?

 

[Mr Pigeon]

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/videos/fc-barcelona/20220427/1001794164/datos-frenkie-jong.html

Not sure what the reliability for this journalist is.

It would be rather daft if we had been negotiating this entire time with Barca but never even confirmed anything with De Jong. But at this point the potential meltdown on the Caf would be interesting. I'm sure Arnold would just set up a stall at that pub to save him having to walk down there every day when he gets wind of another protest.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

I really like Dortmund's way of transfer negotiation. Set a budget and deadline. Take it or leave it. After the deadline no more transfer. They want to focus on key players for pre-season training to prepare well for the season.

Barca need the money to register all their new players. This delay do them more harm than us. We should give them our final offer and make a deadline for this deal. After that move on and get the required players for our preseason.

70 + 10 mils is a fecking good deals for Barca already.

 

[Bosws87]

I really like Dortmund's way of transfer negotiation. Set a budget and deadline. Take it or leave it. After the deadline no more transfer. They want to focus on key players for pre-season training to prepare well for the season.

Barca need the money to register all their new players. This delay do them more harm than us. We should give them our final offer and make a deadline for this deal. After that move on and get the required players for our preseason.

70 + 10 mils is a fecking good deals for Barca already.

Yeh it's really not that black and white, if player kicks up a massive fuss you suddenly have a big big problem with dortmunds approach.

 

[bosnian_red]

I really like Dortmund's way of transfer negotiation. Set a budget and deadline. Take it or leave it. After the deadline no more transfer. They want to focus on key players for pre-season training to prepare well for the season.

Barca need the money to register all their new players. This delay do them more harm than us. We should give them our final offer and make a deadline for this deal. After that move on and get the required players for our preseason.

70 + 10 mils is a fecking good deals for Barca already.

There's also levels/tiers to the priority lists. De Jong for example is a dream signing. Better to get him on deadline day than get anyone else. Other positions there isn't necessarily a dream signing available. In which case, you work through your list with the budget and timing in mind.

 

[Daslogisch]

Can someone explain why this takes so long, I am intrigued.

Arnold said that Murthough is working day and night, why?

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/frenkie-de-jong.467252/post-29012000

It's a waiting game until one of the two has enough and wants to move on. Apparently United will now increase the offer to €70m+10 which pretty mich equals what Barca paid for him. If I had to guess that should bring a deal quite close.

 

[Giggsy13]

This is going to drag well into July. Hopefully we’re able to bring in a few signings before then. At least there appears to be some positive news with Eriksen with spurs seemingly not following up with their interest.

 

[redIndianDevil]

It's never easy getting a high profile player from another high profile club UNLESS you just pay their release clause. This one in particular is difficult due to the financial situation that Barcelona find themselves so they want every euro they can get for FDJ. Along with the fact that the player himself wasn't completely open to the move when first presented to him b/c he's playing CL football with Barcelona while United aren't.

So you're dealing with a financial factor and a sporting factor amongst the contractual negotiations which i'm sure has complications due to add on clauses, player rights , media rights etc....

Let's see which gets done first. Lukaku to Inter, Sterling to Chelsea or FdJ to Manchester United.

 

[bosskeano]

Let's see which gets done first. Lukaku to Inter, Sterling to Chelsea or FdJ to Manchester United.

Lukaku back to Inter has actually been going on longer than FDJ to United....hell that started back right at the end of the season. Normally i would say Chelsea if Roman was the owner bc he didn't give two shits about what someone cost

 

[Olecurls99]

We’re not buying a packet of peanuts. We’re talking about an eighty million euro transaction. There are a lot of fine details to work out. And when attorneys are involved it takes days to go over the finer details of such a contract. It took me several months to close a seven million dollar deal, albeit with significantly lesser resources. People seem to think it’s a casual conversation, a few scribbles on a piece of paper and voila.

The lack of basic business knowledge and experience that people use as their basis to criticise the speed of transfer negotiations, is really laughable. Payment structures, currency fluctuations, proof of funds, structures and parameters of add-ons, default protections and contingencies are just some of the complicated factors. Then you have to factor in the speed at which the other party responds and their amenability and flexibility with regards to how and when payments are made. Barca are likely fairly keen to get most of the money up front, given their economic situation. That can greatly complicate things because a lot of transfer activity and budgeting is predicated on installment payments over 3-5 years.

Our transfer budget, which is in itself a ludicrously simple moniker for such capital investment, isn’t reflected in how much cash we have sitting in a big chest. We may have 90m on hand but a so called budget of 150 or 200m dependent on payment structures. It is also influenced by the payment structures of outgoing deals, and liabilities still owed on past transfers both incoming and outgoing.

An offer in this case is a proposed package based on constant and fluid conversations addressing all the myriad factors of the transfer. Agreement has to be reached on all of them. It can be the case that a player can be bought for 75m if the entire fee is played up front or 85m if they are paid for over 4 years. The time value of money is more relevant than ever given currently excessive inflationary pressures. Then factor in Barca’s complicated current financial circumstances and the weighting is probably heavily leaned towards a larger up front payment, which places a lot of stress on United’s immediate cash flow, and rightly the club will be looking for certain concessions in such an eventuality; because a heavily weighted up front deal for FDJ will necessitate that other deals in this window don’t require substantial up front cash requirements. That in itself changed the budgetary outlook for the next 3-5 years. Furthermore, if the club need to access a credit facility to fulfill the up front cash requirements on this transfer or subsequent transfers, then the cost of money also needs to be factored in.

But yes, ridiculous it might take a few days. Sigh.

And yet other clubs seem to do it. Go figure

 

[crossy1686]

This is going to drag well into July. Hopefully we’re able to bring in a few signings before then. At least there appears to be some positive news with Eriksen with spurs seemingly not following up with their interest.

The new financial year starts on July 1st so Barcelona will know exactly how big the hole is at that point and what they've got to do to fix it.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Lukaku back to Inter has actually been going on longer than FDJ to United....hell that started back right at the end of the season. Normally i would say Chelsea if Roman was the owner bc he didn't give two shits about what someone cost

But there is some news and positive movement. It's clear that this is going to happen. Look at us, we get fed half baked news and rumours.

 

[Bilbo]

What this threads needs more of are comparisons to Di Maria, a quip that ends up with calling the club Something FC, or any variation of joke around us preparing to prepare a bid. Those are always hilarious.

 

[Cypriot]

But there is some news and positive movement. It's clear that this is going to happen. Look at us, we get fed half baked news and rumours.

I mean, 'new bid expected' isn't exactly half baked news and rumours - just be patient.

 

[sixdwarf]

This all revolves around Barcelona's financial issues. If they can get away with not having to sell, we could lose out so it is important to have other options especially in that crucial area of the pitch - midfield - where it is clear we need to strengthen with the departures of Pogba, Matic and Mata.

Gundogan is an excellent player and apparently surplus to City requirements.and must be worth looking at even if we secure the Dutchman's services. The question would be if he would move to a rival.

 

[redIndianDevil]

I mean, 'new bid expected' isn't exactly half baked news and rumours - just be patient.

It's the negotiating day and night "without sleep" stuff that bothers me. Obviously Barcelona hope to get something and our evaluation is this, how long does it take to come to a mutual agreement. My lack of patience is because of how we ended up signing Fellaini in a panic at the last moment. Hope we don't do something like that.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

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Top 3 highest earners..
Maybe it is my age, but really really find this wage thing at United very annoying and iritating. And, we never learn, just get players and give them looots of moneeey. That will show everybody..
Rant over.

 

[Mickeza]

Top 3 highest earners..
Maybe it is my age, but really really find this wage thing at United very annoying and iritating. And, we never learn, just get players and give them looots of moneeey. That will show everybody..
Rant over.

Top 3 highest earners may just mean parity with Bruno.

 

[Thoms]

Ofcourse he will be a top earner. He will be your best player next to Ronaldo and de Gea.

 

[SATA]

Ronaldo
De Gea
Rashford/Martial

The top 3 earners or have I missed someone? I don’t think Bruno even with his improved contract is more on Rashford and Martial

 

[JPRouve]

Ronaldo
De Gea
Rashford/Martial

The top 3 earners or have I missed someone? I don’t think Bruno even with his improved contract is more on Rashford and Martial

Ronaldo, De Gea, Varane and Sancho are top 4. That's before Bruno's new deal.

 

[SATA]

Ronaldo, De Gea, Varane and Sancho are top 4.

Well yeah you’re right

 

[roonster09]

Top 3 highest earners..
Maybe it is my age, but really really find this wage thing at United very annoying and iritating. And, we never learn, just get players and give them looots of moneeey. That will show everybody..
Rant over.

He won't take paycut to join ManUtd, he is already on very good wage.

 

[Marcelinho87]

All very sensible points.

It's interesting as we have already made a first offer though, and I wonder how this can happen so quickly on let's say deadline day.

Fees can be agreed and paperwork sent to the PL before end of play deadline day, the rest can be ironed out after.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Top 3 highest earners..
Maybe it is my age, but really really find this wage thing at United very annoying and iritating. And, we never learn, just get players and give them looots of moneeey. That will show everybody..
Rant over.

We have a wage structure and by all accounts we stick to it. United just happen to make a lot of money so we can afford to pay these high wages. The only downside is when it comes to moving players out, The club needs to learn how to pay great salaries but at the right time and with performance based incentives.

It's probably not your age, it seems to me that people the world over have become addicted to negativity, specifically anger. It's something we seek out and crave, ultimately to our detriment.

 

[UnitedFire]

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/videos/fc-barcelona/20220427/1001794164/datos-frenkie-jong.html

Not sure what the reliability for this journalist is.

Advised by those around him....Van Gaal!

 

[ehsanul]

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[VP89]

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Hahaha.
feck off.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

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Wasn’t it 80 like 2 days ago

 

[Brownie85]

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Wasn't it 85m Euro the other day?
Are these guys making it up as they go along?

 

[El-Manos]

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not happening

 

[mu4c_20le]

Wasn’t it 80 like 2 days ago

Thank boozy arnold for that

 

[2 man midfield]

60 guaranteed plus 40 in variables then. Give ‘em the old Klopp special.

 

[hellhunter]

Wasn’t it 80 like 2 days ago

Inflation is brutal these days

 

[Mainoldo]

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