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That would be a very dark day for the Belarusian Army.Finland doubling russian border with NATO, Kazakhstan pissing off putin by saying they won't acknowledge DNR and LNR, now Lithuania with this, how does one choose what special military operation to do next?
I suspect he might involve his mutt Lukashenko to somehow deal with this, though.
Not even Lukashenko is crazy enough to attack Nato. Belarus vs Nato might be the most one sided war ever waged.Finland doubling russian border with NATO, Kazakhstan pissing off putin by saying they won't acknowledge DNR and LNR, now Lithuania with this, how does one choose what special military operation to do next?
I suspect he might involve his mutt Lukashenko to somehow deal with this, though.
Not necessarily through combat, perhaps another pseudo warfare with migrants or like.That would be a very dark day for the Belorussian Army.
With around half of the country visibly opposed to Lukashenko after last year's protests, any involvement would sign his own death warrant.Finland doubling russian border with NATO, Kazakhstan pissing off putin by saying they won't acknowledge DNR and LNR, now Lithuania with this, how does one choose what special military operation to do next?
I suspect he might involve his mutt Lukashenko to somehow deal with this, though.
Like what happened in Crimea, or something different?Not necessarily through combat, perhaps another pseudo warfare with migrants or like.
I’m suspecting that Lukashenka, while a very provincial fella, is more acting the idiot than is an idiot. I believe he knows Russia/Putin have messed up by starting this war and he is doing everything he can to stay out of it, while also paying lip service to Russia who helped him stay in power.Not even Lukashenko is crazy enough to attack Nato. Belarus vs Nato might be the most one sided war ever waged.
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Not sure if it was you but I remember early in this thread there was a piece on Lukashenko and how he acts the clown to appease Putin but is actually very calculated - zero idea of there's a shred of truth to it but was interesting to read!I’m suspecting that Lukashenka, while a very provincial fella, is more acting the idiot than is an idiot. I believe he knows Russia/Putin have messed up by starting this war and he is doing everything he can to stay out of it, while also paying lip service to Russia who helped him stay in power.
He also knows there’s huge public discontent against him and his position is only retained through brute force. If he puts his pampered and corrupt military in harms way they could turn on him. And then he’s toast.
So I expect he’ll continue to use all his tricks to try and keep Belarus out of it. There’s no way he’s attacking anyone.
The Russian Black Sea Fleet still exists. Nobody has said anything about Russia running out of ships.I thought Russians are out of supplies? They have been running out of supplies since 3rd week of the war.
Russia is not out of supplies... Although clearly struggling in some areas. They have seemingly unlimited amounts of artillery ammo.So how this war ends? Russia retreats and says - oops, or Ukraine gives up eastern territories?
I thought Russians are out of supplies? They have been running out of supplies since 3rd week of the war.
Probably Putin will end up like Milosevic. It may take a few years, even Milosevic survived for a while.So how this war ends? Russia retreats and says - oops, or Ukraine gives up eastern territories?
I thought Russians are out of supplies? They have been running out of supplies since 3rd week of the war.
For Milosevic to completely go down it took NATO to bomb Serbia for 78 days where innocent children died as a collateral. Easy to bomb a country that can't fight back. There is a bit of hesitancy bombing Russia.Probably Putin will end up like Milosevic. It may take a few years, even Milosevic survived for a while.
NATO did not capture Milosevic. The Serbs arrested him for his crimes. The Russians will do the same for the dictator Putin, give them a couple of years.For Milosevic to completely go down it took NATO to bomb Serbia for 78 days where innocent children died as a collateral. Easy to bomb a country that can't fight back. There is a bit of hesitancy bombing Russia.
True. He lost elections. However his demise came after those powerful around him turned the other way. Same can happen in Russia, but Putin can't be too cozy. We shall see what happens. Situation is complex and simple all at the same time. It really is terrible for all the innocent people that have to suffer or die. Life is hard enough without war.NATO did not capture Milosevic. The Serbs arrested him for crimes.
Yes it is terrible that Putin caused so much suffering. And it s terrible that Milosevic caused so much suffering. Dreams of a Great Russia (or a Great Serbia) were catastrophic.True. He lost elections. However his demise came after those powerful around him turned the other way. Same can happen in Russia, but Putin can't be too cozy. We shall see what happens. Situation is complex and simple all at the same time. It really is terrible for all the innocent people that have to suffer or die. Life is hard enough without war.
Hopefully but I doubt it in the near future.Probably Putin will end up like Milosevic. It may take a few years, even Milosevic survived for a while.
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Local tactical success is not the same as strategic success. Ukraine is a huge country and Russia has already failed on its original war aims. Russian propaganda is promoting the view that they are winning as well.Seems like Russia are winning this war, slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
(Despite the impression that the Western propaganda tries to show)
Interactive Map: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (arcgis.com)Seems like Russia are winning this war, slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
(Despite the impression that the Western propaganda tries to show)
They’re having an upper hand in this phase of the war, there’s a world of difference between this and “winning the war”. And strategically it’s at least debatable if time works for Russia in this case, Ukraine has more to look forward to in terms of potential weapon supplies & personnel.Seems like Russia are winning this war, slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
(Despite the impression that the Western propaganda tries to show)
You think a free press and journalists reporting what they see on the ground are “western propaganda” ? Interesting.Seems like Russia are winning this war, slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
(Despite the impression that the Western propaganda tries to show)
Confused. What makes you believe the Russian propaganda?Seems like Russia are winning this war, slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
(Despite the impression that the Western propaganda tries to show)
I think This was always going to be the case. They’re just too powerful for Ukraine. I really want Ukraine to win and they’ve far exceeded most peoples expectations but Russia is just too big. It seems they can lose men and equipment at will and still they come. Ukraine doesn’t have that luxury.Seems like Russia are winning this war, slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
(Despite the impression that the Western propaganda tries to show)
Ukraine has 1/3 the population of Russia and if supplied with modern Western weapons, they have enough resilience to at least fight this to a stalemate. The west on the other hand should either throw its complete backing behind Ukraine or back out so that Ukrainians know they can't win this and surrender. The current tactic of supplying just enough weapons so that the war is prolonged, Russia is hurt long term and Ukrainians lose their lives in the thousands is really immoral IMO.I think This was always going to be the case. They’re just too powerful for Ukraine. I really want Ukraine to win and they’ve far exceeded most peoples expectations but Russia is just too big. It seems they can lose men and equipment at will and still they come. Ukraine doesn’t have that luxury.
It seems like Biden and EU leaders haven’t quite grasped this, they sort of still hoping it just magically goes away. Define war objectives clearly (Ukrainian victory) and adhere to it, currently the aims in the white house are still very vague.Ukraine has 1/3 the population of Russia and if supplied with modern Western weapons, they have enough resilience to at least fight this to a stalemate. The west on the other hand should either throw its complete backing behind Ukraine or back out so that Ukrainians know they can't win this and surrender. The current tactic of supplying just enough weapons so that the war is prolonged, Russia is hurt long term and Ukrainians lose their lives in the thousands is really immoral IMO.
Its not that they are supplying "just enough" to prolong the war. Its that they don't want to incentivize Putin to escalate and use more destructive weapons, which will put the west in a bind, since they will then be under pressure to escalate militarily. Nobody wants that. The slow grind strategy alongside supplying Ukraine with high tech western weapons, is therefore the appropriate thing to do.Ukraine has 1/3 the population of Russia and if supplied with modern Western weapons, they have enough resilience to at least fight this to a stalemate. The west on the other hand should either throw its complete backing behind Ukraine or back out so that Ukrainians know they can't win this and surrender. The current tactic of supplying just enough weapons so that the war is prolonged, Russia is hurt long term and Ukrainians lose their lives in the thousands is really immoral IMO.
I suspect it’s very easy for us to say ‘send more’ versus the reality of getting it safely into Ukraine undetected, training soldiers and putting it to use. It’s also a very precarious situation for Ukraine, they have to protect the new artillery systems beyond almost anything else as can you imagine how quickly the aid would dry up if we saw some pictures of a load of blown up or, worse yet, captured NATO artillery.Ukraine has 1/3 the population of Russia and if supplied with modern Western weapons, they have enough resilience to at least fight this to a stalemate. The west on the other hand should either throw its complete backing behind Ukraine or back out so that Ukrainians know they can't win this and surrender. The current tactic of supplying just enough weapons so that the war is prolonged, Russia is hurt long term and Ukrainians lose their lives in the thousands is really immoral IMO.
You make a very good point there about the West just prolonging it - whether intentionally or not, Id not really considered that. Some more food for thought.Ukraine has 1/3 the population of Russia and if supplied with modern Western weapons, they have enough resilience to at least fight this to a stalemate. The west on the other hand should either throw its complete backing behind Ukraine or back out so that Ukrainians know they can't win this and surrender. The current tactic of supplying just enough weapons so that the war is prolonged, Russia is hurt long term and Ukrainians lose their lives in the thousands is really immoral IMO.
What do you mean by that?The west on the other hand should … throw its complete backing behind Ukraine