Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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How is it difficult to understand? If a large portion of the budget goes on FDJ - doesn’t leave much for anyone else. If a sizeable chunk of the budget goes on Antony, we won’t have enough for FDJ.

Not that hard to figure out
You’re very aggy aren’t you :lol:
 

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The squad is getting gutted regardless what difference does it make if it's us that's doing it?

Bayern have taken 2, if we have to pick Antony then Arsenal may still get Martinez, Haller is going to Dortmund
This. Doesn't make any sense.
 

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Antony brief. Hopefully we get this done quickly.
This is Manchester United..

Van de Beek is the only deal in the last few years I can remember getting done within a week or two of the first serious links.

I envy that Liverpool and Chelsea for example seem to sign players within days of the first big talk of it happening, Nunez the most recent example
 

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United and Ajax have a pretty good relationship with each other in terms of players. I can’t imagine them being awkward about getting both Antony and Martinez unless we open with an insulting bid for them.

Their CEO has nothing but good things to say about us which helps a lot :p
 

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This is Manchester United..

Van de Beek is the only deal in the last few years I can remember getting done within a week or two of the first serious links.

I envy that Liverpool and Chelsea for example seem to sign players within days of the first big talk of it happening, Nunez the most recent example
Liverpool were being linked with Nunez back in May.
 

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This FdJ stuff is getting tiresome. Makes you wonder what's going on if we're willing to show our have so much and say we aren't signing anybody else until he's done.
Yeah its fecking annoying. Its like he's Ronaldinho. Get it over with or move on. No business until FDJ gets done is bizzare.
 

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ETH's full backs underlap more than they overlap. For this it's extremely important that they are good passers of the ball. Dalot suits this. I don't personally think Elanga excels at any of the things ETH would need from his full back. I don't really see him contributing much at all tbh. Could see him going on loan.
This differs..

I hear so much people saying Ten Hag's formation is this and that and his fullback do this and that, but Ten Hag his strenghts is that he adapts and has different nuances every year.

One year he plays with a false 9 in Tadic, the other with a target man in Haller.
One year he plays with a #10 a la Donny who is more of a goalscorer, the other with Berghuis who is more a playmaker
One year he play with a real winger at RW like Antony, the other with Ziyech who is more like a playmaker.
Blind is a whole different type of fullback than Tagliafico
Timber is a whole different type of central defender than Matthijs de Ligt
Mazraoui is more a right full back who comes inside as an extra midfielder, but Ten Hag was also very happy with Dest who goes via the wing.

Ten Hag adapts to what kind of players he has in his team who he trusts in who have qualities he values. Then he looks for combinations of players who play well together. Mazraoui-Antony, Donny-Tadic, Schone-Frenkie, Blind-Tadic..

There is not one formula he blindly follows. He wants players who are smart, who he can trust, who have control over the ball, and who arent afraid to press forward. That can still results in many different types of players in the same positions...
 
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With that Dutch journalist reporting that Haller & Alvarez are the two players are the two players that Ajax are happy to cash in on this summer and Mazraoui and Gravenberch already gone, it wouldn't suprise me if this ultimately ends up being the case. They have no need to sell and every reason to try and keep Martinez/Antony this summer, so they should be demanding prohibitively high prices.
 
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This differs..

I hear so much people saying Ten Hag's formation is this and that and his fullback do this and that, but Ten Hag his strenghts is that he adapts and has different nuances every year.

One year he plays with a false 9 in Tadic, the other with a target man in Haller.
One year he plays with a #10 a la Donny who is more of a goalscorer, the other with Berghuis who is more a playmaker
One year he play with a real winger at RW like Antony, the other with Ziyech who is more like a playmaker.
Blind is a whole different type of fullback than Blind
Timber is a whole different type of central defender than Matthijs de Ligt
Mazraoui is more a right full back who comes inside as an extra midfielder, but Ten Hag was also very happy with Dest who goes via the wing.

Ten Hag adapts to what kind of players he has in his team who he trusts in who have qualities he values. Then he looks for combinations of players who play well together. Mazraoui-Antony, Donny-Tadic, Schone-Frenkie, Blind-Tadic..

There is not one formula he blindly follows. He wants players who are smart, who he can trust, who have control over the ball, and who arent afraid to press forward. That can still results in many different types of players in the same positions...
Very interesting
 

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This differs..

I hear so much people saying Ten Hag's formation is this and that and his fullback do this and that, but Ten Hag his strenghts is that he adapts and has different nuances every year.

One year he plays with a false 9 in Tadic, the other with a target man in Haller.
One year he plays with a #10 a la Donny who is more of a goalscorer, the other with Berghuis who is more a playmaker
One year he play with a real winger at RW like Antony, the other with Ziyech who is more like a playmaker.
Blind is a whole different type of fullback than Blind
Timber is a whole different type of central defender than Matthijs de Ligt
Mazraoui is more a right full back who comes inside as an extra midfielder, but Ten Hag was also very happy with Dest who goes via the wing.

Ten Hag adapts to what kind of players he has in his team who he trusts in who have qualities he values. Then he looks for combinations of players who play well together. Mazraoui-Antony, Donny-Tadic, Schone-Frenkie, Blind-Tadic..

There is not one formula he blindly follows. He wants players who are smart, who he can trust, who have control over the ball, and who arent afraid to press forward. That can still results in many different types of players in the same positions...
I like this bit. Do you think Erisken and De Jong would be a good combination like Schone And De Jong?
 

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I like this bit. Do you think Erisken and De Jong would be a good combination like Schone And De Jong?
I think Frenkie and Fred (or Mejbri or Garner) with Eriksen more forward would work. Bruno would the compete with Amad for the right wing spot
 

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Not quite...

Antony:


Robin van Persie:
Tbf RVP was a very late bloomer in terms of goalscoring. He didn't reach 20 goals in a season for Arsenal until 2008/09 and 2011/12 was the 1st season where you would say he really became an elite goalscorer. If Antony was to follow this path you could argue it would take him 5 seasons here before he reached similar numbers to what Rashford has in 2 of his last 3 seasons. Obviously Antony and RVP are very different players so can't really draw a direct comparison, but let's not act like RVP was immediately a world beater after joining Arsenal.
 

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I like this bit. Do you think Erisken and De Jong would be a good combination like Schone And De Jong?
I thougth about that, but Im not sure Eriksen fully fits that to be honest.. I think he is too good in the final phase of the game... Schone mainly complemented Frenkie as he was always sitting tight in the central area behind the ball when Ajax was attacking. I think Eriksen could do that but it would be a waste of his qualities...
 

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This differs..

I hear so much people saying Ten Hag's formation is this and that and his fullback do this and that, but Ten Hag his strenghts is that he adapts and has different nuances every year.

One year he plays with a false 9 in Tadic, the other with a target man in Haller.
One year he plays with a #10 a la Donny who is more of a goalscorer, the other with Berghuis who is more a playmaker
One year he play with a real winger at RW like Antony, the other with Ziyech who is more like a playmaker.
Blind is a whole different type of fullback than Tagliafico
Timber is a whole different type of central defender than Matthijs de Ligt
Mazraoui is more a right full back who comes inside as an extra midfielder, but Ten Hag was also very happy with Dest who goes via the wing.

Ten Hag adapts to what kind of players he has in his team who he trusts in who have qualities he values. Then he looks for combinations of players who play well together. Mazraoui-Antony, Donny-Tadic, Schone-Frenkie, Blind-Tadic..

There is not one formula he blindly follows. He wants players who are smart, who he can trust, who have control over the ball, and who arent afraid to press forward. That can still results in many different types of players in the same positions...
Considering all the talk is about getting Antony who you yourself said was a real winger, would that not suggest that ETH would want more of an underlapping rb since that is the role Mazraoui played with Antony ahead of him. If Antony plays primarily wide and our rb also overlaps they'll just be getting in each other's way and we won't have anyone covering the half space.
 

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This is Manchester United..

Van de Beek is the only deal in the last few years I can remember getting done within a week or two of the first serious links.

I envy that Liverpool and Chelsea for example seem to sign players within days of the first big talk of it happening, Nunez the most recent example
And Koundé.
 

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Considering all the talk is about getting Antony who you yourself said was a real winger, would that not suggest that ETH would want more of an underlapping rb since that is the role Mazraoui played with Antony ahead of him. If Antony plays primarily wide and our rb also overlaps they'll just be getting in each other's way and we won't have anyone covering the half space.
Could definitely be, but it can also work on other ways.. Antony is indeed a real (inverted) RW who works well with an underlapping Mazraoui this year.. But Ajax - in the Dutch league - very often plays against opponents who park the bus meaning the RW often stays very wide. He on the other hand is - if you look at some of the highlight video's for example - also very good at coming inside.. Perhaps at United and in the PL - where more games will have lesser difference in quality between the two teams - there will be more space for him in the opponents half and he will have a slighty different role coming inside than at Ajax, which could argue for an overlapping fullback...

I just dont know.. Like I said.. Ten Hag will look for combinations and try to make it work within the formation as a whole...

No one would have though it would be a good idea to have a slow Daley Blind and a slow Tadic as a left wing tandem at Ajax this year, but they together reach the last line, have more depth and provide more low crosses together than any other combination I have every seen at Ajax...
 

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Depends how you want to define it. You just seem a bit miserable really, no offence like.
I think United inability to get deals done quickly is a genuine concern amongst fans and within the club

But yeah if it makes you feel better, it’s just me and I’m just miserable
 

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This is Manchester United..

Van de Beek is the only deal in the last few years I can remember getting done within a week or two of the first serious links.

I envy that Liverpool and Chelsea for example seem to sign players within days of the first big talk of it happening, Nunez the most recent example
Ronaldo took a while to be fair. Cavani too.
 

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I think Frenkie and Fred (or Mejbri or Garner) with Eriksen more forward would work. Bruno would the compete with Amad for the right wing spot


What :lol: :lol: :lol:


The Bruno disrespect is absolutely insane. Defo the weirdest development I've seen in a long while
 

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To be fair, Bruno is clearly no right winger.

Defo not, but to be fair Nor is Amad at the moment a serious right winger ready for first team football.

No where close to being ready to step in.


Daft he in competition with Bruno as Bruno can't get a look in anywhere else in the pitch apparently, he is our best player
 

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What :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Bruno disrespect is absolutely insane. Defo the weirdest development I've seen in a long while
The Bruno bashing comes almost exclusively from the same few Pogba fanboys (yeah, I don't understand either).

Make of that what you will.
 

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Defo not, but to be fair Nor is Amad at the moment a serious right winger ready for first team football.

No where close to being ready to step in.


Daft he in competition with Bruno as Bruno can't get a look in anywhere else in the pitch apparently, he is our best player
Amad is more a right winger than Bruno is. At any level. That said, I agree that there is no comparison in their status.
 

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Amad is more a right winger than Bruno is. At any level. That said, I agree that there is no comparison in their status.

True.

I really like Amad but would take massive turn around for him to be ready here in a months time. Let's hope it's not him and Bruno competing for the spot .
 
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