Fly them to Mexico, then get them over the border by road.
Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES
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You made it sound as if a reasoning: probability of a death of a young n fit person vs probability of catching a serious side effect of the vaccination is a sound one - that for me is implying that the infection has negligible side effects to consider (hint: that‘s not the case).
Those people would have a point at least if the infection would be a widely known understudy where we know the in and outs compared to a vaccination where we have little idea about what it does and does not.
But I‘m derailing the thread even further.
Btt: I for one can live with the signing of Ake. Very versatile and used to a ball possession side which is what we need imo. Could be a couple of millions cheaper but it’s not my money and I don‘t see us challenging City this season regardless.
Even if Colwill is good enough to feature we would still need to sign 1, if not 2. We have been pretty lucky with Silvia’s health, but as much a phenom as he is he is still in his late thirties. Chalobah got time last year even with Andreas and Rudiger here. And Dave might not be here to play outside of a back 3 (although he might be smart enough to to see Barca isn’t necessarily the best retirement home option anymore).
They all but assumed a deal with Kounde was done and dusted and were still looking for replacement options.
Boehly will get frustrated by playing “nice” as the new kid pretty soon. A lot of people, especially non Americans, may not understand his true reach. But f he wants to make sure an agents client never touched America’s shores, or shuts the agent out from new clients all together by pulling in larger players…. He can do all of that. He will also put spend everyone on earth, just to prove a point.
Imagine if the late Mendes refused to discuss where one of his clients was going without calling a particular owner first. That’s what Boehly has.
Now, Europe is not America. But with the exception of the Saudis, the same players are moving in and taking over. And the teams and leagues they aren’t taking over, like Barca and La Liga, are going bankrupt.
So I expect some movement. We get all these articles about how Chelsea isn’t the “dream” move for this player or that from a ridiculously biased press. But the fact is most of these teams in question CANT buy the particular player we want. I doubt any of the players that came here idealized us as THE team they wanted to play for. Who cares? It will still happen.
They all but assumed a deal with Kounde was done and dusted and were still looking for replacement options.
Boehly will get frustrated by playing “nice” as the new kid pretty soon. A lot of people, especially non Americans, may not understand his true reach. But f he wants to make sure an agents client never touched America’s shores, or shuts the agent out from new clients all together by pulling in larger players…. He can do all of that. He will also put spend everyone on earth, just to prove a point.
Imagine if the late Mendes refused to discuss where one of his clients was going without calling a particular owner first. That’s what Boehly has.
Now, Europe is not America. But with the exception of the Saudis, the same players are moving in and taking over. And the teams and leagues they aren’t taking over, like Barca and La Liga, are going bankrupt.
So I expect some movement. We get all these articles about how Chelsea isn’t the “dream” move for this player or that from a ridiculously biased press. But the fact is most of these teams in question CANT buy the particular player we want. I doubt any of the players that came here idealized us as THE team they wanted to play for. Who cares? It will still happen.
Ake's size is a worry - but other than that, I think he would be a good addition.
Anyone remembering Gary Cahill?
Anyone remembering Gary Cahill?
You sound excited that your new owner is a bit of a bully and a knob head?
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I'd bite your hand off for a 28 year old Gary Cahill right now!
The Ake deal is a bit odd. When I saw him for City last season he did seem to look out of his depth and although he’s not a bad player he’s not one that kicks the group on to the next level. If he is a replacement for Christensen then it’s a downgrade.
City will be happy to get their money back (and a bit more) and Chelsea have definitely over paid. He’s not a young up and coming kid at 27 years old and hasn’t had a good season so seems odd his value has increased.
City will be happy to get their money back (and a bit more) and Chelsea have definitely over paid. He’s not a young up and coming kid at 27 years old and hasn’t had a good season so seems odd his value has increased.
Cahill was a good player and character for the dressing room by all accounts
Kinda agree - although I do stay optimistic.
He is quite versatile and can cover some positions and with 27 also experienced enough while also leaving space for Colwill (if he stays) to develop.
I really rate Christensen but he is far from reliable unfortunately so there is that to consider. Don‘t think there is that much difference between them potential wise as well (but granted haven‘t seen that much of Ake last two seasons as well tbh).
He would be a bad compensation for (prime) Rüdiger of course but let‘s see who gets in as the other CB first.
The price I guess is what you have to pay to a (almost) direct competitor so will be inflated. Not 100% on those homegrown rule but maybe that ups the price a notch as well?
Then there is obviously to consider that we do need to finally start moving forward signing a CB..maybe Sterling on the other hand could be more expensive than what he actually is sold for, I‘m assuming, which may or may not play a tiny role in the valuation as well. My2c
Yeah all fair points. It does seem odd though that the new owners are allegedly happy to spend spend spend, and a deal for Kounde was prepared, yet they’ve opted for Ake who just seems quite uninspiring at £40-50m
Surely Kounde should have been wrapped up and then go all in on a top tier CB like De Ligt to replace Rudiger?
It feels like an odd window for Chelsea and as though Ake has been offered up during the Sterling discussion and Chelsea have just gone ‘ah go on then’.
Given that Christensen has stomach problems before every big game, his qualities mean nothing when he is unavailable. On the rare time he gets himself on the pitch in a meaningful game, he has the yips and has a howler. He is by the very definition a false sunrise. You think he has developed, but it is never going to happen.
He probably said that just said that to get out of playing for Chelsea which is understandable.
Uninspirering fits I guess.
Koundé I think is a bit difficult to assess - I read he was mainly a club/Marina favorite and isn‘t Barca heavily linked to him as well? When deLigt got available they shifterf their focus on him, which I can understand, now with Bayern making the race most likely maybe Koundé receives another look…only that we are badly burned by the latest Lukaku scheme. So signing someone who openly favored another club seems like throwing money outta t he window.
It‘s a frustrating window of course since we are seriously linked with actually a lot of good players but everything stalls and gets very muddy (transfer window in a nutshell tho) and if you aren‘t too invested has the potential to entertain a good deal (blasphemy).
On the other hand, with a new owner, no real DoS (?) and a squad with many issues to resolve it would have been strange if it went BamBamBam. Like United with a new head coach - surely that should take more time than Pool or City who have well oiled machines and could focus on their strategic targets almost the entire last season already.
I will never understand those that think signing Ake is worse than using Colwill. Who, btw, has ONE season of senior football under his belt. Some right tits about when it comes to youth ai. Use your common fecking semse. Ake is better, as of right now, and will be the far more secure option to use regularly in the league and europe
Colwill is going on loan again, we all know it
Colwill is going on loan again, we all know it
Its even worse on a United forum than with Chelsea players.
So many posts over the years about not signing “insert world class forward” because it will block James Wilson’s route to the team.
Even today, some peoples’ solution is just to “play Garner and Hannibal” and not to bother with a creative midfielder because “we have Mejbri”
The class that came through under Ferguson has warped peoples minds over what should be expected from youth teams in the elite levels of the game.
It would be his job if Tuchel went into the season with Colwill, Chabolah and Thiago Silva as his starting CBs and they weren’t immediately excellent.
I would love to see youth get their chance, but sometimes you have to forget they're from the academy and just accept that the incoming player/transfer, is simply better.
I have actually seen tweets from people not wanting Lewandowski because we have Broja. I mean. Wow. Its fecking ridiculous sometimes.
My argument is always this: If Ake played for City as he does, and Colwill played for Norwich, had one season of senior football as he does, and both were linked for 30m, who would you plump for? It'd be Ake, and anyone saying otherwise is talking absolute bollox, and they know it. With Broja i think of it the same. If he belonged to Soton after the season he has just had, would we want to spend 40m on him? Im not sure....
When we linked with Digne in Jan, people didnt want him because we had Maatsen. Seriously.. who is better? If you want to catch City and Lpool you go for stronger options... not turn those options down because you might have an academy player instead.
One day people will realise the academy is also a money making machine... you produce them, and sell them. Truth
City supporters on Bluemoon have been really against selling Aké which has me at least hopeful that he’s good enough. But I can’t tell how much of that is them being annoyed that they’re selling quality depth or Aké actually being really good.
As I’ve said before, it still all comes down to what formation we play and who the other CB we buy is. Aké in a back 3 will be fine.
As I’ve said before, it still all comes down to what formation we play and who the other CB we buy is. Aké in a back 3 will be fine.
I guess we just fundamentally view football differently. If someone had listened to the Chelsea yoof advocates last summer maybe we would have had Guehi in house ready to fill the gap left by AC. There has to be at least some level of forward planning. I actually can’t stand the short termism where people can only contextualise something with regards to how it impacts the upcoming season only. Colwill, if nurtured correctly, will be a far more important player for Chelsea than Ake will, so it makes sense to prioritise his development than whatever it is people think Ake will help us achieve next season.
No one is against buying players for the first team, but if you have a gem coming through in a particular position, it makes sense to facilitate and protect that players development. That doesn’t mean a free run into the first team. There has to be competition, but bringing in a new £50m signing in his position isn’t really the way to go for me. Koulibaly for example is great player and old enough not get in the way of Colwill’s development.
I don’t care that Ake is better right now. Give Colwill enough minutes, he won’t be this time next year.
Colwill will probably go on loan and replace thiago Silva next season. I think that is a better option right now. But a loan to someone like Everton, Fulham or Forest would do him good
In most cases I agree but Colwill is at Reece James circa 2019 level of next to a safe bet.
Ake is good. I cant understand the dissent re. his signing. It'll be Ake+1 as i said last night IMO, so Ake isnt the only Cb to arrive probably. Maybe the fee irks some people, but as a defender, he is fine.
I think Ake was quite highly regarded within Chelsea before he left, hence the buyback option in his Bournemouth move. Plus Tuchel is a huge fan we're told. Colwill looks potentially top drawer, but its going to take more than a single loan at Huddersfield for me to pick him ahead of a proven EPL CB. Albeit Reece James is be the exception to the rule. Out of all the loans last year the only one who i would without question involve next year is Gallagher. He's had a handful of loans, and stood out in all of them, prem included.
I sadly think Gilmour is done here, Broja i think will go, Colwill too but a loan
People will kick and scream about not signing a Silva replacement in your scenario too. It’s like we haven’t seen this story before. Players will develop into the players we want them to be if they’re given trust and opportunity. If not they’re happy to take their talents elsewhere and leave us scrambling around trying to pay 45 fecking millions for Nathan Ake, who lets be honest isn’t better than Guehi right now, but we let him go because the forward planning at Chelsea is in the toilet. Send Colwill on loan again and he’ll soon grow frustrated and request a transfer too. These kids aren’t stupid. They’d rather take control of their own careers than leave it in the hands of the club who are great for their development until they reach the cusp of the first team. Colwill will have seen the success of Guehi and Tomori. He’s not gonna hang around if we send him on loan again. He knows he’s in high demand from PL clubs right now.
Ake is okay. I have no problems with him as a player and I actually really like him. He won’t move the needle in any meaningful way in terms of what the club wants to achieve next season but he’s a perfectly likeable player and I’ll enjoy watching him back at Chelsea again.
I just wonder about our formation, though. It’s pretty clear that Tuchel and the club are targeting multiple wingers. Sterling, Raphinha, Dembele. That would suggest that he will switch to a formation that incorporates 2 wingers aka 4-3-3. But then at the same time we’re targeting Aké who is a back 3 player. This is where my disconnect is.
We switch to a 4-3-3 and suddenly we have a CB issue. We’d have a 38 year old Thiago Silva with much more responsibility on his plate and then Aké who will surely be told he’s going to feature heavily if he’s leaving City‘s bench. I think that pairing would be disastrous.
If we stay with the 3-4-3 there’s only really space for 1 winger unless Mount is dropped. Which I can’t see.
Yeah I think the forward planning in terms of your youth players and how they have been handled has been pretty poor. Especially when you consider the millions wasted on some of you last few batches of signings when you had better already at the club but let go.
Perhaps this will improve though under the new regime and set up? And rumours as to who will be taking the main roles? The new owner gives off Woodward vibes so far and seems to like getting involved a bit much (although might be needs must this summer)
Neither of those will arrive. Both fluttering their eyelashes for Barca
Almost surely not. I’m just saying that despite Sterling looking in the bag, we are still after another winger.
true, that Burnley winger has been talked about, Cornet.
Admittedly re. Raphinha i think a point will come where Leeds may say to Barca match Chelsea's bid totally or dont bid again... depends then whether Deco and Raphinha will wait much longer
I want to see Ake under Tuchel. I don’t think he is anyone to moan about. £45m is surprising, but I am also shocked at how much milk costs right now.
Deco is pushing hard for Barca, he is their South American scout. Raphinha is wanting to start working a deal with Chelsea. We will see, it is odd that two days ago both Raphinha and Lewa’s people were saying Barca only, then today both camps are saying Chelsea. Something was said concerning Barca to two different groups of people.
It’s highlighted perfectly by the fact that we’re potentially blocking Colwill’s pathway by bringing back a player who he himself left because he couldn’t see pathway into the first team. I guess I can look forward to re-signing Tomori aged 29 just in time to block another CB gem coming through. It seems to be how we roll here.
I don’t have a problem with Boehly acting as the interim sporting director. I don’t think he wants to be this knee deep in transfer stuff but the take over was completed just a few weeks ago. This window was always going to be a transitional window with lots of moving parts, and as much as it might look bad to others, it looks really normal in its context for me.
He certainly isn’t bad but it’s just underwhelming. That being said, in the last few years we have had high expectations for major signings and they’ve flopped. So who knows. Definitely in a back 3 he will be perfectly fine.
If these new rumors pan out that Pep replaces Ake with Kounde, Chelsea fans on Twitter are about to get ugly.
People who tweet about Chelsea have been ugly for a very long time.
Also there ls no way Kounde signs to be Ake's replacement (a reserve) at Man City.
Gary Cahil was pretty bad though.
No body think Russia attack Ukraine or roman forced to sell club or we couldn't able to renew contract to existing defenders mate.
When lewa camp said anything about chelsea. Is it Twitter rumour or anything noteworthy.
Not for Chelsea. He was good for Chelsea.
What? Go wash your mouth with soap man
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