Us “we’re not paying deferred wages”
Barca “if he’s going, we’re not paying them”
FdJ “well I’m going nowhere until someone pays me”
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Barca “if he’s going, we’re not paying them”
FdJ “well I’m going nowhere until someone pays me”
There is that, which gives him a stronger hand with Barcelona, and getting his back pay.
It had crossed my mind.
So Barca are paying it anyway?
That's very true
I hope you are correct, my plant-based friend.
No they won't.
He can say he wants to leave if he likes, he has simply chose not to.
The contract is legally binding and him saying he'd like to try another league / club etc is immaterial.
Yeah, we at least got Felliani.
And di maria!
This is again all immaterial, it doesn't change the legally binding terms of the signed contract. Meaning the money is still to be paid at some point.
You are confusing public perception with the reality of legally binding contracts.
He shouldn't give a flying fiddlers what Barca say or do if he says he wants to leave cause he still is the "good guy" to all bar die hard Barca fans.
But again Romano said 2 things:
1- De Jong does not want to leave Barca
2- De Jong will not accept a wage reduction.
Why do you think the 1st thing will happen and the 2nd thing won't?
Anyone tried to bath a cat? You know that moment when you want to put a cat into the water?
You=Barca
Frenkie=cat
United=water
You=Barca
Frenkie=cat
United=water
The contract is legally binding, if its still in effect. Which it won't be when he leaves the club and signs a new one with us.
The wages were deferred to the remainder of his contract which runs till 2026. I think thats the point of contention and where barca are trying to weasel their way out of paying anything.
Bogarde Vibes!
FdJ has a contract. If he stays he will get his agreed salary which includes his deferred wages. What about this don't people get. He doesn't need a stronger hand with Barca. He quite literally has the best hand. He holds almost all the cards unless Barca, a club in a financial clusterfeck of a situation decide to completely shoot themselves in the foot and not play him. They would still be paying him though. That is the only power they have over him. Will he play or not. Thats it.
Everything else is a question of "will FdJ accept any reduction in his deferred wages due to move and how much of those deferred wages are Barca will to pay to persuade him to move".
I of course know the contractual obligations are still there, but De Jong stating publicly that he wouldn't mind a move would give Barca an improvement to their negotiation stance.
You say he would be the good guy to everyone but the Barca fans, well what happens if he says he is open to a move, but they cannot agree on how to make this deal happen. Then he would have to stay and be abused by the Barca fans.
"You should agree to move without (or lower amount of) your deferred salary. Do you really want to stay here next season when the fans have heard you say you are willing to move?"
De Jong gains nothing by stating in public that he wants to move, as long as United know privately that he is open to move as long as De Jong and Barca can agree on what to do with his deferred wages. For now it's a Mexican standoff between them, while we wait to see what happens after triggers are pulled.
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Do you think his transfer value will go up in that time by the amount of salary he's owed? Would it be worth United paying at least some of it if that's the holdup?
Yep I understand that.
I'm addressing the point about his public statements and wanting to stay. He could easily say I want to move, It puts the ball firmly in our court and forcing a deal as it puts pressure on Barca to resolve, essentially its all parties vs Barca then. If he wants the money that badly go in for the kill, get the deal done and move on with life.
Instead he is choosing to kiss the Barca badge and say he is happy and allowing it to drag on relentlessly.
Pretty sure Bale opted for similar actions to force the move from Spurs to Real many moons ago.
There’s a lie.
Dembele has no contract, and no pay to “cut”.
He’s an out of contract injury as feck prone footballer, who has zero chance of getting his previous wages anywhere due to those injury issues. It’ll be like Phil Jones or Bailly expecting their next club to match their previous wage, not happening.
Time for Utd to move on. We want players that want to be here not another Di Maria. Neves proven premiership quality and would jump at the chance please
No way he does a Bale. Bale got to sit around on a full trophy cabinet, including what a hat trick of champions league medals.
Also need to reiterate what an embarrassment it will be for him to stay at Barca after all this. No way he does.
If a player publicly states he wants to leave, then it might be construed as an official transfer request, which would likely forfeit even more loyalty payments/bonuses due to him.
I don't think any player who is professional would openly state he wants to leave his current club.
I also wouldn't take for face value any of these "journalists" reports. They've mostly been briefed and to what agenda for each respective party?
He’s been told that a million times but chooses to ignore it, he even suggested he act like Pogba
as though that’s a good role model for footballers behaviour.He was out of contract a few weeks.
The contractual pay he was on vs the new deal is 40% less. That is reported literally everywhere, a simply google search confirms it.
Basically if he was on 100k up to the point of the old contract expiring, he is now on 60k... 40% pay cut.
Imagine having such little self respect that you'd allow an employer bully you out the door without paying up the €18m in wages they owe you.
A transfer request is in writing, they can construe or perceive verbal sentiments how they like. I'm pretty sure the written agreement would trump most every sentiment he makes about considering his future / proposals from other clubs.
Agree on the journo's sentiments btw, he's staying / going is flip flopping here all day.
One of the most tedious transfer sagas. Completely understand the player, he should be paid what he’s owed by his own club, that’s not our business and we shouldn’t be paying a penny out of our own pockets to speed up the process, let him settle this mess with his own mess joke of a club.
I’ll be happy if he joined, don’t mind if he didn’t.
We have exciting young players in midfield and plenty of numbers with Eriksen joining as well.
They have Pedri and Gavi we have Zidane, Jimmy Garner and Robbie Savage junior, lets go.
I’ll be happy if he joined, don’t mind if he didn’t.
We have exciting young players in midfield and plenty of numbers with Eriksen joining as well.
They have Pedri and Gavi we have Zidane, Jimmy Garner and Robbie Savage junior, lets go.
no way that Barca freeze him out. This is not a credible threat.
It’s definitely not smart at all. They already have a massive squad with plenty of good players in young to prime age that all need to play to develop. Since Kessie the only area they are really short on top quality or potential top quality is full back and striker and they go out and sign Raphina even though they already have Fati, Torres, Dembele and Depay who can play there. It’s daft squad management. They just needed to tighten up for a season or two and sell the older lads, return the terrible loans, sell their players out on loan and take a hit there and regroup. Instead they are forcing one of their best and most saleable players out the door (who’s to say they couldn’t get far more for him the future) and selling their future income streams at a cut price not taking inflation into consideration. And we think we’ve got muppets….
No, his old contract is finished. Even without their dog shit situation they would never ever offer someone with that injury record similar terms, stop talking out of your arse.
His new contract represents his shit transfer to Barca so far and his time on the treatment table. They actually tried selling him in Jan and the only reason his has this new offer is because he managed a couple of good months without injury to tempt Xavi and the club into what likely will be another mistake.
feck! and there was me trying to be surreptitious For uncle Mike.Mike Phelan?
No ones coming out of this situation looking good.
Barca look like an embarrassment refusing to pay the wages the player is owed
United look ridiculous chasing a player all summer that doesn’t want to move
And De Jong looks pretty pathetic desperately trying to stay at a club that are so publicly keen to ditch him
It’s quite embarrassing all round. And just trust United to be a part of it. Wouldn’t be a United transfer window without some ridiculous chase that goes on all summer. We never, ever, learn.
Barca look like an embarrassment refusing to pay the wages the player is owed
United look ridiculous chasing a player all summer that doesn’t want to move
And De Jong looks pretty pathetic desperately trying to stay at a club that are so publicly keen to ditch him
It’s quite embarrassing all round. And just trust United to be a part of it. Wouldn’t be a United transfer window without some ridiculous chase that goes on all summer. We never, ever, learn.
Mitten is as close to Manchester United and Barcelona as any journalist, if not closer. 60% chance it is. Another two or three weeks will really test fans patience though.
This is wrong. A legally binding contract is a legally binding contract. The relevant provisions will almost always survive termination. FDJ doesn’t waive his rights just by leaving Barca… if he doesn’t come it’s because he doesn’t want to come.
If Barcelona were to publicly claim they wouldn’t play him if he stays, does his World Cup place become at risk, Or is Van Gaal only willing to impose such rules to our detriment?.
Dont think theyd do that.
There is more to it than what he is owed. He has just bought a mansion and got engaged, and his girlfriend doesn't want to leave Barcelona for Manchester. Maybe we should pull out, if he doesn't sign by friday.
Of course they can, if they want to. If they're upset with him they can make him ride the bench and never play again. Make him train alone etc.
Especially in a world cup year, do you really think he wants that?
You're not getting me.
I understand his old deal ran out, he was a free agent. The point I am making is they let it run out, they didn't make him a new proposal with increased wages.
That contract ran its course, then they offered him a new deal which is 40% less than his prior one.
And I don't disagree at all on how much of a disaster he's been, doesn't change the fact they are now paying him 40% less then then original contract he had with Barca.
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