What does that even mean? That we will eventually sign FdJ?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I don't blame the club one bit for pursuing this deal. They've met with Barcelona and have had the deal agreed (if reports are to be believed), so United have done all they can. Barcelona's behaviour throughout all this is pretty terrible, to be honest. Announcing that Raphinha is coming for £50-60 million whilst still not giving de Jong the much-publicised money that they owe him is scandalous. How can you plead poverty one minute and ask players to take pay cuts, and then make signings like that? It's appalling behaviour. I fully understand de Jong digging his heels in and refusing to make any moves until he gets what is owed. This is all on Barcelona.
United have made all the right moves up until now. If there is truth that our deadline is Friday, then I'm fine with that. Set the deadline, and either get the player, or spend the rest of the window looking at and getting other attainable targets. We can't get into a situation where this is rumbling on until the end of the window and we miss the chance to get our other targets, and still miss out on de Jong.
United have made all the right moves up until now. If there is truth that our deadline is Friday, then I'm fine with that. Set the deadline, and either get the player, or spend the rest of the window looking at and getting other attainable targets. We can't get into a situation where this is rumbling on until the end of the window and we miss the chance to get our other targets, and still miss out on de Jong.
He doesn't have to accept it of course, he can leave. Minus the monies owed.
If he wants to stay, he'll have to accept it... the contract he has runs until 2026 and so long as Barca pay the monies by June 26 they've legally done nothing wrong.
Barcelona can't afford to pay him 88 million over 4 years to have him benched. That should go without saying. Barcelona is under much more pressure to resolve this situation than de Jong.
It's not so much they'll do anything to stay there, more so that he simply accepted the reality of the situation and decided to take the lesser wage to stay. He's just the most recent and obvious player to do so.
FdJ holds all the cards in this but contractually Barca have to pay him so it's up to Barca to figure out the HOW part and it's not his obligation to make things easier for him.
Barca are trying to want their cake and eat it to....get the max value for him(so they can buy raphinha) without having to pay him the back wages he is owed. fuking scum the lot of them.
simple truth and solution would be Barca lowering the asking price to 50m euros and United paying FdJ the 15m in a bonus for signing with United then pay his wage packet
Barca are trying to want their cake and eat it to....get the max value for him(so they can buy raphinha) without having to pay him the back wages he is owed. fuking scum the lot of them.
simple truth and solution would be Barca lowering the asking price to 50m euros and United paying FdJ the 15m in a bonus for signing with United then pay his wage packet
Well we don't know what the future holds and what other deals they have in mind to create revenue.
They held onto the ESL strongly for a reason, it isn't going to go away. TV revenue will likely increase and I'm aware they've sold off a percentage of that to investors, they should still likely earn more.. its not like the price is going to drop for football TV contracts in the future.
Why does De Jong have to accept a paycut to stay? His contract is bound by law. If he doesn't want to change anything then they have to pay the money he is owed. This won't make De Jong popular among club management and fans. But he absolutely doesn't have to accept a paycut in order to stay.
Now he could accept a temporary wage deferrment as earlier. Get paid everything over the contract length by June 2026. But why should he agree to this when he's already done this once and they are in no better place? If it was me I'd be worried that Barca might be bankrupt by 2026, and want what I was owed up until now to be paid now before I accept to defer any more payments.
yeah, I agree. Barca are waiting for their finances to get better so they can use a higher proportion of sales to buy players.
However; we have to understand one thing though, this is not a problem from the United side, people saying our board or whatever, this is solely a Barcelona problem and it is unfortunate that we are stuck in this deal.
Unfortunately, we cannot just move on because there is no FDJ alternative out there, even the likes of Neves would cost £50m plus but his quality is nowhere near of FDJ.
so yeah, not a pay cut, simply a new deal representing his worth to them after so much time on the treatment table.
The only thing embarrassing is Barcas behaviour, spending money by the bucketload when they owe so much to their players
United have done nothing wrong here, they’ve obviously had assurances that he’d go if Barca don’t want him & he’s not shafted by Barca on money owed
Do you understand the term pay cut? I don't think you do.
Here, let me help you
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/d...#:~:text=(peɪ kʌt ),decrease in pay or salary
The semantics of it are irrelevant. He's earning less, you know... a pay cut.
At this point I kind of feel like it's more likely that we chip in to pay part or most of his deferred wages rather than walk away
Fairly sure Arnold and Murtough went over for that reason.
So much love and dream for a club from Frenkie who refuses to pay him his owed wages but rather spend that on shiny new toys
On the one hand, if that gets us the player that we're badly after, then it's a solution.
On the other hand, I hate the idea of almost legitimising Barcelona's scummy business practises. The more I think on it, the more I don't mind the deal collapsing for this reason.
Some in this thread are willing to decry Romano as a fraud, a tap-in merchant and a guy who knows nothing about our business right up until he says that De Jong doesn't want to leave and then he all of a sudden becomes ultra-reliable, that is until he then says that the deal is not dead, when he's once again "just recycling old news".
(For my part, I think Romano is probably correct in both of his statements)
(For my part, I think Romano is probably correct in both of his statements)
As of today they can't even register Kessie and Christensen and they just announced Raphinha on top of that. Yes, we can say with decent certainty that missing out on de Jong's transfer fee, demoting him while seeing his current contract out is a completely impossible option for Barca.
I specifically phrased it as "not willing to sacrifice anything to play". Barcelona's 40% reduced offer was still the best offer Dembele got, he doesn't sacrifice anything by accepting as he has no better option financially. If de Jong were to accept the ridiculous Barca offer it would absolutely be unprecedented.
Also, what are the less recent players to do so outside of la masia regiment for whom it was still mostly wage defferals?
We'll never know the true details to this deal but rest assured, FDJ will get his deferred wages. My guess is we agree a lower fee with Barca and then agree to pay FDJ the deferred wages over the course of his contract with United. Barca is in no position to play hardball over this. ETH definitely wants the player but he's not stupid to suggest we get bent over and risk losing other targets. The alternative is we pass due to financial reasons and they're stuck with him and have to pay him. They still owe other current and past players including Messi if reports are true. They still owe other clubs money for players they don't even have anymore if reports are true. They're signing players so they must have found the money somewhere. Barca is a mess but I still think we'll do a deal that makes sense for all three parties. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Yeah, turns out that Terry read a sport witness translation about an article that Domenech wrote. So it was him quoting Domenech.
We should offer to pay him the 17m Barca owe him but take it out of his price tag we’re paying Barca 
I had a huge Russian Blue that used to jump into the bath with little prompting to get his monthly bath. He loved it!I have flashbacks now. Me, dressed like bomb squad guy and cat behaving like Wolverine with all claws out and stuck in my vest.
Tried two times that. Never again
Seems a bit of an over simplification. If he's owed them over a timeframe like his remaining contract he's not going to get them as a lump sum just because he wants to leave. As for their expenditure if it's spread out in instalments then they could very well be reducing their yearly outgoings at the completion of the FDJ deal.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the player holding this up as he wants the lump sum. You'd expect United and Barca could sort the books out to pay him as is but if FDJ wants a lump sum then the deal will be a no go.
Hope not, Barca could pay what they owe him out of the transfer fee but they're choosing to buy more players instead of getting out the mess they're in
I'm expecting this to drag on until the window shuts. It's what happens when you're dealing with clubs on the brink of bankruptcy.
Laporte will have to blink sometime before the 30th of July when they have to handover their financial plans for next season to the la Liga committee.
Read your post above, it’s so illogical.
Seems an obvious solution, if that's the issue.We should offer to pay him the 17m Barca owe him but take it out of his price tag we’re paying Barca
What a mess Barca is.
This whole saga is such a mess. I hope we never do business with these amateurs again.
His brain's broken
Hopefully Arnold and Murtagh leaving means this saga is finally over and we have walked away from it.
Better to move now and buy someone who actually does want to play for us as it's been an utterly boring and pointless waste of time
Better to move now and buy someone who actually does want to play for us as it's been an utterly boring and pointless waste of time
Or we've walked away and actually made an agreement? That'd be my preference.
I’d take that over everyone saying Di Maria vibes.
They can't stay in Barcelona for days and days. They've done what they went to do, now they're going to work on our other transfers.
My cat plays hide and seek moment she sees her bath tub. Nightmare to catch her. But luckily once put into the water she remains calm.
Another nightmare begins after I bring out her sworn enemy, the hair dryer.
It should be offered… not sure Barca will take it though because they’ll look at it as losing money on the transfer. They was gonna pay the 17m back in instalments if he stays.
Unbelievably I feel sorry for a guy who is being paid millions to kick a ball (albeit millions less than he is meant to be), Barca have treated him like $%*£
Still says a lot that he would still rather fight to stay there than come to us....
Still says a lot that he would still rather fight to stay there than come to us....
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