Good signing which adds pressure to our poor defenders
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I could see the opposite. Martinez as a holding DM in front of Maguire and Varane against good teams, with Frenkie as an 8 and Bruno or Eriksen as a 10. Then against lesser teams, Martinez plays as the LCB and one of Varane or Maguire rests.
Eriksen? He'll be backup no.10 I would have thought.
FDJ
Eriksen
Fred
McTominay
Bruno
All players ahead of VDB. And I'd rather the fringe places go to the likes of Hannibal, Garner, Iqbal etc.
Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe are expected to leave.
I'm not sure why people are so confused over us buying a centre back. We're hardly going to go into the season only carrying three in the squad.
Could be… I think a midfield of de Jong, eriksen and Bruno would be good against lesser teams as there will be plenty of creativity and should easily dominate. Martinez will be good against fast attacks like Chelsea’s because of his pace. Ten Hag may also use a back 3 against top teams with varane, Maguire and martinez at the back, the benefits of that would be it can easily turn into a 4-3-3 during games with martinez pushing up into midfield if needs be.
so why sign a 5"9 CB? I cannot think of many 5 ft CB flourishing in the premier league to my memory. I thought Ruben Dias was small but he 6"1
Nope. He is pretty bad with his feet other than shot stopping. Plenty CB can play FB its not that foreign.
Man big Friday coming up. Hopefully he’s announced with de jong and perhaps Erikson?
There is also a chance he plays as a dm but drops into CB when we attack turning our back 2 to a back 3.
Based on the very very little we've seen so far, it looks like 4 at the back, with De Jong sitting, Bruno and either Eriksen or Fred as the 8s, Dalot and Shaw at fullback (backed up by lord knows at RB and Malacia at LB). That fits with Martinez at LCB. Then the attack is harder to say, since we have no idea if Cristiano is staying or not and if Rashford will be up for starting, though at the minute you'd say Sancho on the right and either Martial or Cristiano up top. But Antony out right and Sancho out left would also make sense, whether or not Cristiano stays, though it seems like financially it might be either or.
5 foot 9 inches in only 3 inches below 6 foot. Measure three inches with you hands and look... It isn't much.
If (and it is an if, because I don't know much about him) it is made up for with aggression, jump height , physical tenacity etc, then 3 inches isn't much.
That said, he'll have to have these extra attributes to make up for being a wee bit under height, I do get that.
ETH has already said that DVB should play behind the striker - so he is not considering him as a central midfielder
Is that a serious post? Varane is 6-3 and Maguire is 6-4. 5-9 is a midget CB.
Still talking about his height? It won't be a problem when we have the ball 70 percent of the time.
Such disrespect of all the short kings.
Did he not say that Van de Beek can play in both roles?
Don't know why his height is that big an issue we have defenders who are taller who are crap with their head
Same reason the two other CBs we were most linked with were statistically worse in the air than Martinez despite being taller. Namely, aerial ability isn't the priority in terms what we need from a new CB.
Martinez is good at other more important things (to our team) than being aerially dominant. But is nonetheless still better in the air than other options we were looking at, because height isn't the same as aerial ability.
Will it work upfront though with Ronaldo? I liked the look of our forward line against scousers as there was plenty of movement and rotating which ten Hag obviously likes. Can’t see us being as fluid with Ronaldo upfront, obviously he’ll get us goals and plenty of it but will we be more predictable with him in the team and will we have to change the way we play to accommodate him? As for defence I think your right with the full backs and martinez will fit perfectly as LCB, the question is who partners him? When Maguire and Varane are both fit it has to be Varane but I can’t see him dropping Maguire if he’s made him captain.
Are you denying that tall players tend to be better at winning headers than short players?
So Varane was a flop?
Headers aren't that important. Defend against ground play before it comes to crossing.
Closer to a flop than a success.
He’s on 340k a week and is either injured or crap. Yes, he’s a flop.
Surely de Jong will be doing this.
That isn't what I said. You might want to read my post again vs what you said. It's fairly straightforward. He was injured quite a bit and I don't see how you can count any of the last three mentioned as viable back-ups.
Human height doesn't work that way, 3 inches might not look much when you draw it out on paper, but add three inches to any human and he'll look a different unit. Stand a 6 feet guy next to a 6'3 guy and he'll feel small. 5'9 is a midget as a CB no amount of magical reasoning will change that fact.
Adding to that: 6 foot is average height for a CB. And even THEN he is 3 inches below...
I've never quite forgotten dreading 6'0 Daley Blind coming up against Romelu Lukaku only to absolutely rinse him every time they had a duel anywhere near the first third of the pitch. I think height is a bit overstated in football.
I'm sure Alex Ferguson laughed off a load of questions about Javier Mascherano's height in a press conference before the 2011 final ... He realised even then that physicality was dead at that level of football. If you keep the football 80% of the game it's not a problem.
Now we’ve got Verne Troyer signed who’s next?
To be fair it was hilarious, for a while it seemed like everyone would try to exploit Blind's height just to realize that it wasn't going to happen. Now, making him run was the trick.
He'll still never play. He'll be third choice. Bruno rarely misses a game and ETH is known for little rotation.
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He will be exposed, the whole team could be exposed if the tactics fail. But if they are implemented well and Martinez can show his strengths it’ll be a good signing.
He will be exposed, the whole team could be exposed if the tactics fail. But if they are implemented well and Martinez can show his strengths it’ll be a good signing.
I reckon he's going to play holding DM with both full back bombing on and Maguire and Varane moving wider and level with him, rather than him dropping back. He'll also be the one to provide the quick long ball as opposed to de Jong dribbling out, so we'll always have options when playing out.
I think the defense will step up as a group and push really high, fullbacks becoming auxiliary wingers, a bit like the dippers.
I think the defense will step up as a group and push really high, fullbacks becoming auxiliary wingers, a bit like the dippers.
They agreed a fee for the kid from Home Alone today
More concerned about his lack of recovery pace than height especially with the counter attack being so important in the PL.
Add a high line to that and there could be issues.
Add a high line to that and there could be issues.
Has he released his 60 m sprint times?
I'm concerned he does't know how to play football.
United fans on redcafe aren't half adept at putting a downer on new signings
That's life
I read someplace that he said that VDB was good at finding scoring positons so he was best behind the striker - something like that
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