De Jong cant publicly announce that he wants out because he wants his loyalty bonus. Why would Ten Hag chase him if he did not tell him privately that he wants to come?
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De Jong cant publicly announce that he wants out because he wants his loyalty bonus. Why would Ten Hag chase him if he did not tell him privately that he wants to come?
We should be not looking at lesser alternative players such as Tielemans and Neves etc, we should be looking at players on a par or even better than Frenkie. The question is then, if available, who are these players ?
That's numberwang.
They sold more TV rights.
First lever and then Second.
Not sure of the actual amounts but I reckon ball park 450-500m possibly.
Hard to know really.
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He can say publicly he wants to stay though, something he hasn't done amongst all the speculation and pressure.
Simply cause Barca *ideally* need him off the books.
I don't believe FDJ wants to leave though.
FDJ doesn't have to leave, Barca can't force him either though so we continue on arguing like muppets.
UK media says that Frenkie is open to join Unite, but there has been nothing to suggest this.
We have heard this for 2 months that he is "open" but is it a lie?
United have had a fee agreed which means, all Frenkie has to do is agree personal terms with United, the fact that it seems we are not even negotiating this shows he does not want to come.
its been a week since the fee is agreed, 3 weeks since a principle deal was agreed. The player clearly does not want to come.
Probably between €500-600 million from what I've seen.
Oh I know don't worry, I was referring to us using guesswork and the sorts. We get our info from what's fed to the media, mostly what the club/players want you to hear.
What's actually said will always likely be secret, unless things went to crap and club/player had a war of words
Ah ok so this is where the 'we need you to take a pay cut comes in then' so when do Barca need him to agree to a pay cut by? Before the transfer window closes or can they afford to pay him his 'true' wage for a couple of months while they continue to negotiate?
Wtf did I just watch. OmgOmg! Look at the eyes! It’s true love!
Well that's not true.
He has quite a few times.
Just one of at least 4 or 5 examples from about April onward where he stated his happiness at Barca and not wanting to leave.
If the wage issue is that much of a problem, and if Frenkie says he wants to leave means that he's forfeiting his right to what he's owed, including any bonuses, couldn't agreeing terms with another club be construed as agreeing to leave, meaning he's all but forfeited what he's owed.
As I say there is a lot more to this than we know
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If you look carefully you can see FDJ crouching behind that plant pot crying his eyes out.
Two months ago.
He also said this
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Since then we have had a bid accepted and he has stayed silent.
Well, its about the defered wage, he is not leaving until he is paid what he is owed, which is the correct stance. If the club wanted to leave so badly, they would try work it out right?
Instead they are saying, on current wage, we cant afford you so leave or reduce your wage and stay.
Barca have the upper hand here. He can stay and Xavi will keep him and play him or leave and it wont make a big difference because they have so much midfield talent.
That's just gonna reduce their future earnings. Probably worsening the problem.
He can stay, on his current contract and completely destroy Barcas wage budget as he won't take a pay cut again, or he can work out a settlement with Barca and leave, which would be much more beneficial for the club.
The only way he's staying is on his current contract from what I can gather
They feel as if they are successful now they will get a bump in revenue which would cover the sale or at least a part of it.
They are really putting all their eggs in one basket because if their plan doesn't work in two-three seasons they could be relegation fodder.
Even in June when we were openly negotiating a transfer, still the same sentiments.
https://www.90min.com/posts/frenkie...n-utd-interest-but-insists-happy-at-barcelona
It's been the same message before and during.
If Barca manage somehow to force him out, we are investing heavily in a player who won't be focused and dedicated to the club and I'm absolutely convinced of it.
You have a point for sure, but it’s all about the optics. Laporta has left it to Xavi to deal direct with FDJ so he isn’t seen as the bad guy. In the same way they want to paint Frenkie as the bad guy for choosing wages and money over helping Barca hence all the ‘he’s not for sale‘ stuff despite clearly negotiating a fee with United. It’s all politics to keep the socios happy so Laporta can keep his job.
Probably, but that's not our problem
They stand to lose future earnings of anything from 1.5bn up due to this dogshit payday loans, possibly double that
Either way, if Timber told 'porkies' and/or Erik hasn't sold the idea well enough, he ain't coming. Maybe we will go back again for him after the WC? At the moment if a player or a club we are trying to deal with tells us to stick our fingers up our a**e and whistle 'dixe'... we'd probably have to think about it!!!
Point still stands.
We agreed a fee with Barcelona. Since then he hasn't said a word despite according to many he is 'desperate to stay'
If he was so desperate he can come out right now and effectively turn us down himself, ending all speculation.
His silence speaks volumes.
Sorry newbie, it’s all been talked to death in here but if you don’t get it by now no amount of explaining will help you.
Constructive dismissal if they acted like such obvious tosspots, they’d have no legal argument that they aren’t essentially dismissing him.
https://www.farrer.co.uk/news-and-i...ight-an-athlete-claim-constructive-dismissal/
If Spanish employment law is anything like UK law here, doing such a thing could utterly feck them worse than any other solution to this wage problem.
Better to take him, and give him very few minutes, make out he’s just not preferred by the manager.
We should though, just because doomed want it shut. Obvs.
Nailed it!
There's so many options open for Barca to keep him. They could easily raise further funds through a 3rd lever. Perhaps more sponsors, who knows.
Get Frexit done.
They are basically mortgaging their future for success now in the hope increased success leads to increased revenue.
I believe Laporta is really Bartomeu in a different dress with some of the decisions they have made especially in the market and the levers all they have done is kicked the can down the road they'll still need to deal with the money issues and if TV money collapses for them they are really in the mire in a big bad way.
No, there is one. He takes a wage cut.
I completely agree with that. Surely he could end this at any point and just say:
"I'm flattered by the Manchester United links, but I have no intention of leaving Barcelona and I'm open to working with the club to come to a conclusion where I may remain"
That's not happened. The rumours keep swirling and the same crap from a month ago is repeated. For all intents and purposes, de Jong has been silent since agreeing a fee
It does indeed, but not like you think.
Martinez and Malacia push for transfer, done deals.
FDJ silent, stays put.
Not the same situation. We all know there are complications due to his contract situation.It does indeed, but not like you think.
Martinez and Malacia push for transfer, done deals.
FDJ silent, stays put.
What we see from this is Barca have absolutely done a number on him. He didn't take a pay cut, he defered his wage.
From what I have read, they reduced his salary to help during covid and the £17m owed was to be paid from this season until the end of his contract through his salary.
Which is why, his salary is reported to be 300k plus this season and even more next season. Obviously, barca cannot afford that which is why they want to sell him but they don't owe him money because he signed the deal.
Now he wants Barca to pay the money he feels he is owed and Barca just want to sell him so they dont need to pay those high wages.
I cannot see how this is resolved.
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