Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[Mr Pigeon]

Gary really stirred that shit now. Things are going to get spicy.

Like you can afford to buy players for 100M+ amortized at 20M a year but you can't pay your player that same money (20M / yr) on your existing contracts

Yeah obviously it's better for Barca to be selfish pricks. But is it the right thing to do for the player?

Maybe every club should do this. Shame players into renegotiating and accepting new lower contracts.

It's like any other business just trying to squeeze as much as they can from their employees, and shaming them into "loving" their workplace. If you don't put the company first then you're selfish and not a team player. Meanwhile they're laughing their way to the bank.

I know it's a bit different because of the wages involved compared to regular cnuts except me and Colin, but these players don't have a job other than this one. At least we have the luxury of enjoying football from the outside whilst making our money selling stray animals to glue factories or secretly arming Putin.

 

[ElectroManiac]

That Rafael Hernandez sucks Barca's levers. Don't listen to him

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

That Rafael Hernandez sucks Barca's levers. Don't listen to him

I can teach that shameless prick how to make FdJ deferred wage packet sustainable, from the apparently sustainable 155k to the non-sustainable 300+k……

don’t give a fecking contract to Kesse. There, it was that fecking easy.

when it comes to Busquets, don’t give a contract to fecking Raphinha.

When it comes to Pique, don’t give his money to Lewa.

Shameless prick.

 

[hellhunter]

I can teach that shameless prick how to make FdJ deferred wage packet sustainable, from the apparently sustainable 155k to the non-sustainable 300+k……

don’t give a fecking contract to Kesse. There, it was that fecking easy.

when it comes to Busquets, don’t give a contract to fecking Raphinha.

When it comes to Pique, don’t give his money to Lewa.

Shameless prick.

But don't you know? Only Barca suffered from Corona and can't survive without sporting success. If only teams like Derby knew how to handle a tough financial situation like Barca

 

[Mullet_Man]

So have Barca actually registered all these new players for the new season?

 

[Red Company]

I do, thanks for asking

I think you missed the entire point. You didn’t have to state the obvious and tell me everyone has their own theories. If you’d care to read my post again you’d see I asked for those theories and reasoning behind which options they picked in the poll??

The whole point of muppetry is fun obviously but also constructively debate our opinions rather than just state the obvious

 

[Lynty]

Yeah I dont believe this. Sounds like paper talk nonsense. Firstly why would Barca do this? Oh we are selling you and you aren't getting your 17 mil back? Who in their right mind would say ok then keep it? No one. So they wouldn't do it. And even if they did then its just deal off. End of discussions. Call their bluff. Secondly 17 mil is nothing. If they need to sell FDJ then selling him for 70 and paying him what he is rightfully owed is no big thing. Its just nonsensical. Its like saying oh by the way we are keeping your house even though you paid for it and your girlfriend too. Nonsense.
I really think FDJ just doesn't want out but is being pushed out. Nothing else really makes sense because if all parties wanted it done it would have been done by now

All the most reliable outlets are reporting the salary issue.

It’s a game of chicken worth 17m. United are banking on Barca blinking first.

 

[crossy1686]

It seems to me the best way to handle this would be a lower fee to Barca and we give Frenkie 17millions. Everyone is happy. Shocked it has not been mentioned already.

You weren’t around two weeks ago were you?

 

[Tarrou]

It seems to me the best way to handle this would be a lower fee to Barca and we give Frenkie 17millions. Everyone is happy. Shocked it has not been mentioned already.

everyone.. except Barca

 

[Shakesy]

I think you missed the entire point. You didn’t have to state the obvious and tell me everyone has their own theories. If you’d care to read my post again you’d see I asked for those theories and reasoning behind which options they picked in the poll??

The whole point of muppetry is fun obviously but also constructively debate our opinions rather than just state the obvious

Look. You asked for reasons. I gave one.

"We don't have enough information to be certain".

You also implied that the only logical vote is #2. I countered that. Then you talked about deferred wages and the registration of players. How do these facts equate to Frenkie signing for us, exactly? I didn't ask this, because I don't want to get into a debate about this again. Everything has been said. Again and again. For a 1000 pages. Which is why I was surprised in the first place that you were surprised with how people voted.

Feck. It's like arguing with my wife. Cue joke about my wife.

 

[TheReligion]

It looks like this is coming to boiling point now and Barca can’t get their own way

 

[hellhunter]

Look. You asked for reasons. I gave one.

"We don't have enough information to be certain".

You also implied that the only logical vote is #2. I countered that. Then you talked about deferred wages and the registration of players. How do these facts equate to Frenkie signing for us, exactly? I didn't ask this, because I don't want to get into a debate about this again. Everything has been said. Again and again. For a 1000 pages. Which is why I was surprised in the first place that you were surprised with how people voted.

Feck. It's like arguing with my wife. Cue joke about my wife.

Great use of white text, nearly got me

 

[NLunited]

Read somewhere they have offered about half of the deferred wages.

 

[groovyalbert]

What's the thread title change about?

 

[Shakesy]

Great use of white text, nearly got me

 

[pratyush_utd]

Interesting thread

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

So players are shameless to get paid what they agreed on a contract?

And all transfers are amortised. Its not like Barcelona have found some magic. Considering they have sold their future revenue, buying players in future will be more difficult.

If Barcelona fans think the same way this idiot does, then they are delusional

 

[Mr Pigeon]

FFS @Berbaclass it's been 38 minutes since your last post. Are you in or out?

 

[DWelbz19]

Interesting thread

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

never seen a Barcelona fan who isn’t at least a partial wanker. God forbid those “shameless players” take the money they signed a legally binding contract for.

 

[Berbaclass]

FFS @Berbaclass it's been 38 minutes since your last post. Are you in or out?

In.

 

[cyberman]

Interesting thread

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

So paying in instalments means you haven’t spent it at all.
Great financial insight.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Hold the line fellow troops and muppets.

 

[pocco]

An austrian Sport website is reporting that the decision has been made about De Jong. They are qouting AS from Spain.
Apparently he is staying and cutting his wages in half.

Read somewhere they have offered about half of the deferred wages.

What's the sources? If they've offered half the deferred wages I can see him taking it. Or is it half the salary? I imagine half the deferred salary will mean a much smaller reduction overall and he'll still earn €200k+ per month.

 

[JPRouve]

De Jong received a similar offer from PSG, no?

No, Barcelona offered more.

 

[Infestissumam]

We've been shaming our players, like Jones, for doing the same to be fair.

we've criticized players for sitting on their asses on fat contracts. Barcelona are shaming their players for not accepting paycuts. At least we're paying our players as per their contracts.

 

[tomaldinho1]

He ruined my summer completely so he could have the money and I hope now he can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Hold the door!

 

[Red Company]

Look. You asked for reasons. I gave one.

"We don't have enough information to be certain".

You also implied that the only logical vote is #2. I countered that. Then you talked about deferred wages and the registration of players. How do these facts equate to Frenkie signing for us, exactly? I didn't ask this, because I don't want to get into a debate about this again. Everything has been said. Again and again. For a 1000 pages. Which is why I was surprised in the first place that you were surprised with how people voted.

Feck. It's like arguing with my wife. Cue joke about my wife.

But we do have enough information mate. And I even gave some of it in my response to your initial reply.

I could give a lot more but I’m confused as to why you’d even bother to reply if you’re not even interested in a debate.

While many things have been repeated over a 1000 pages, some things have also become more obvious with new info becoming available over time.

Hence as far as the wife joke goes, I think I’d happily prefer being your wife in this situation and call you out since you seem the type to shut the debate down right after giving your close-ended non-factual response to a topic and then avoid further debates. Debating is basically the whole point once you do get involved by responding back.

 

[sewey89]

That thread from Rafael Hernandez reads like a crying Barca fan

This is how it’ll go though, they’ll make Frenkie the bad guy and paint themselves as the victims

 

[Laurencio]

So players are shameless to get paid what they agreed on a contract?

And all transfers are amortised. Its not like Barcelona have found some magic. Considering they have sold their future revenue, buying players in future will be more difficult.

If Barcelona fans think the same way this idiot does, then they are delusional

How dare they expect to be paid what they were given a contract for, won't someone think about poor Laporta and his reelection chances?

 

[Indy_Red]

I think his partner is putting pressure on him to stay, if you look at one of the tweets she wrote when he joined Barca she said "we're going to live your dream" apparently she loves it there and is desperate to stay which is understanable but she should try to realise that she is there because of him and not vice versa

 

[Alemar]

No, Barcelona offered more.

It’s a business model:
1) outbid opponents with higher wages on offer
2) convince new player to agree on wage deferral
3) bully him into taking a 50% pay cut and foregoing all deferrals

= profit

 

[Brownie85]

So players are shameless to get paid what they agreed on a contract?

And all transfers are amortised. Its not like Barcelona have found some magic. Considering they have sold their future revenue, buying players in future will be more difficult.

If Barcelona fans think the same way this idiot does, then they are delusional

Exactly what I was going to put. How is it shameless to be paid what you agreed too? He's already took one pay cut and deferred wages, so he's already done his bit for the club. Ita not his fault the club are still in a shitty situation. He's doing what he's paid to so, and that's play football

If Barca can't pay him what he's due and want him to take another pay cut, that's their problem at the end of the day. They said help us out and we'll pay you back at a later date, he said OK and that's that. They can't go back now and say that wasn't good enough, you need to give up more. That's just not fair on him.

 

[NLunited]

What's the sources? If they've offered half the deferred wages I can see him taking it. Or is it half the salary? I imagine half the deferred salary will mean a much smaller reduction overall and he'll still earn €200k+ per month.

Looked it up, it was the Express (banned).

Numbers were oddly specific though. It said Barcelona‘s offer was 10 million short (of the 17).

 

[Hansi Fick]

Interesting thread

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

What's really shameless is Barca propagandists and mouthpieces like this prick. These, and the club they support, are the people that know no shame. "Shameless players" insisting on getting their contractually agreed wages.. unbelievable. Getting fans riled up against their own players who did nothing wrong whatsoever.

Barca, really, are the worst.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He's just a twat. When Barca were winning it all, he wouldn't shut up about it on Twitter. First goal conceded, toys out of the pram, Bartomeu is the devil, yadda yadda. Since they stopped winning, you barely see him post, fortunately

just talks about pep and city now. He’s the ultimate cringe fanboy

 

[Mr Pigeon]

So was the "meeting in the coming hours" stuff just a load of shite? Unless it's a late business dinner and they're planning to discuss terms after Laporta finishes off the entire dessert menu.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Interesting thread

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

Okay so they are spreading payments out over the next 4-5 years. Does he not realise they have sold a percentage of their future revenue, so they'll have less money over those 4-5 years.

They remind me of a person with a spending addiction who takes out numerous loans and lives off credit while working a minimum wage job. They either think the later in "buy now pay later" will never come or they'll win the lottery by then. It's quite frankly reckless and it'll be a great laugh when it catches up with them

 

[Real Name]

Yeah, bin bag.

Cheeky.

 

[Real Name]

Hold the line fellow troops and muppets.

It's happening mate, isn't it?

 

[hellhunter]

Okay so they are spreading payments out over the next 4-5 years. Does he not realise they have sold a percentage of their future revenue, so they'll have less money over those 4-5 years.

They remind me of a person with a spending addiction who takes out numerous loans and lives off credit while working a minimum wage job. They either think the later in "buy now pay later" will never come or they'll win the lottery by then. It's quite frankly reckless and it'll be a great laugh when it catches up with them

Absolutely every club spreads its transfer fees out over several years. The fact that he presents this as some groundbreaking clever financial play just shows how out of touch with reality those asshats are