Exactly, if things change we can get him, but from United's side, it seems we are not pushing for this.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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We should retract our offer, just to reply spice things up
This should be over before La Liga starts right? Since Barcelona are waiting for him to go or reduce his wages in order to register players
You would think they need this sorted before they register their players anwyay
Who briefed that we are no longer in for Timber? the fact that we went for another target right?
In his interview, Ten Hag said if we cannot get a specific player, we develop one.
Since then he has been praising Fred for his role.
Another thing, we agreed a fee 3 weeks ago, nothing since then. All we here is Barca want to keep him but lower fee, De Jong wants to stay. Nothing, never have we actually been briefed that he could join.
Finally, I dont think we have said we dont want him anymore, I suspect we will be in it for the long run but accept there is a 80% chance we dont get him.
Didn't even know Pjanic still plays for Barca and yet even he seems to be ahead of De Jong.Tweet
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So De Jong is the play backup CB and Barcelona now sign Kounde also, meaning De Jong is further down the pecking order
It's only realising NPV of your assets. It happens all the time. I honestly find it surprising that so many people are thinking this is a problem. It's the only logical way for Barca to remain competitive on the football side given the mismanagement of their affairs over the last few years.
For anyone who is as curious as I am, it's Barça Licensing & Merchandising. Imagine selling off your income to create money. Jesus, Lewa isn't young, how can this be justified as a long term investment?
Our club, United, is a perfect example of what happens if you don't stay on top and allow standards to drop on the football side. If they don't do this and let their squad become less competitive, they risk becoming a club trying to reinvent itself to find success again.
This way, they stay on top; will have a budget to work with to keep the squad competitive; and can keep increasing their commercial revenues on the back of that success.
For e.g. if they make the champions league semis, they make about 60-80m (which will only increase).
This definitely reduces future share of Barca's income, but its no different to United's debt. Our debt takes away cash flows which can be used to reinvest in the squad - much like these levers will take cash away from Barca.
What I prefer about these economic levers (compared to debt) is that the Barca fans do not risk the club being stripped apart and sold in parts (by lenders) if they default. United's lenders can sell our assets if we default and we may not have a United in that case.
It's the worse case scenario but that could have been a reality if clubs couldn't find a way to restart football during COVID for e.g.
De Jong will be very worth all those wages when he's sat in the stands doing nothing.
Well he’s stuck there if we decide to sign another midfielder and a forward. We haven’t got the cash for everyone
Yes he's competing with Gavi/Nico/Kessie/Pjanic for one spot arguably. The other two taken by Pedri and BusiDidn't even know Pjanic still plays for Barca and yet even he seems to be ahead of De Jong.Tweet
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Thanks for shining further light on this. Makes sense.
As you say, FdJ did it in good faith and never really looked to leave the club. However, from the outside in, it seems as though Barca have pulled a fast one on FdJ. This is why so many are shocked about why other players want to join Barca.
I mean, at the moment, even if they activate every lever out there they are still in deeper debt than we are by a long shot. They are selling stuff so they can meet the bare minimum of being able to register their players. I personally don't doubt for a moment that if they had not purchased Lewandowski that they would still be relevant in the coming five years in La Liga and UCL. They're not languishing in Europa or anything.
I am confident he will move.
Love that episode
No. That would really be a Pjanic buy.
100% agreed. You have a gentlemans agreement in place. All of a sudden you strike gold with Pedri and Gavi and now you want to cash in on FDJ and you forget all about the agreement you have in place. It's shocking, really.
I think there are 3 possible outcome for Frenkie de Jong:
1) He stays at Barcelona on his current contract but he will play as a backup CB.
2) He stays at Barcelona on a pay cut. But the only way this makes sense to me is if he will be guaranteed first team football in the position/role that he prefers under that new contract.
3) He goes to United
I think the situation will last like this until the first LaLiga game when new players will have to be registered but it could last until the end of the summer where the LaLiga squad registration is final.
de Jong probably want option 2 or option 3 but it is impossible to know for sure as if he declares his desire to go to Manchester United, he will probably lose the money Barcelona owes to him.
His "deferred" wage must be some kind of Loyalty bonus that he loses if he request a transfer or express his desire to leave publicly.
Hopefully the kid is well surrounded and fully understands that he simply has to wait it out.
What happens if Barcelona leave de Jong out of their squad registration at the end of August ? Can they add the new players if they remove him ?
Does Frenkie have a clause in his contract that he can walk away from them for free if they fail to register him ?
1) He stays at Barcelona on his current contract but he will play as a backup CB.
2) He stays at Barcelona on a pay cut. But the only way this makes sense to me is if he will be guaranteed first team football in the position/role that he prefers under that new contract.
3) He goes to United
I think the situation will last like this until the first LaLiga game when new players will have to be registered but it could last until the end of the summer where the LaLiga squad registration is final.
de Jong probably want option 2 or option 3 but it is impossible to know for sure as if he declares his desire to go to Manchester United, he will probably lose the money Barcelona owes to him.
His "deferred" wage must be some kind of Loyalty bonus that he loses if he request a transfer or express his desire to leave publicly.
Hopefully the kid is well surrounded and fully understands that he simply has to wait it out.
What happens if Barcelona leave de Jong out of their squad registration at the end of August ? Can they add the new players if they remove him ?
Does Frenkie have a clause in his contract that he can walk away from them for free if they fail to register him ?
It was widely briefed by reliable journalists in Holland that Timber was now going to stay on the back of conversations he had with LvG.
Its also widely briefed that De Jong doesn't want to leave. Its you fans who don't want to believe that.
Messi also didn't want to leave. The guy held a press conference and cried his eyes out. We all know where he ended up.
Finally! Look at this people, romufc ain't a fan, it all makes sense now!
Another player they can't feckin register. Absolute jokers
Oh no, you caught me out. I must not be a fan because I think Frenkie is not comingFinally! Look at this people, romufc ain't a fan, it all makes sense now!
Gets told he would make a great backup CB and then days later they spunk over £50m on a CB. Cmon you mug fecking leave!
Surely Barca must have said to Frenkie that once they have signed all the players they want, they will allow him to leave for United and pay him what he's owed. Because it seems without Frenkie leaving, signing these players is somewhat pointless if they can't register them.Another player they can't feckin register. Absolute jokers
Different scenario, Messi's contract was up. Frenkie still has contract till 2026.
Its like Jones in January when a french club was ready to sign but he didnt want to go, because he had a contract at United. I suspect if he was a free agent he would have gone.
No, it's because you dissociated yourselves from fans, you got caught red handed(we may have to change that term because you are not a red).Oh no, you caught me out. I must not be a fan because I think Frenkie is not coming
Fecking hell. Bit harsh.
A professional footballer, in the prime of his career, staying at a club that doesn't want him to, in order to play backup, in a position that he doesn't usually play, for half pay is the least likely scenario put forward in this whole thing.
While anything could happen, anyone pushing that as the most rational outcome has an issue with critical thinking.
While anything could happen, anyone pushing that as the most rational outcome has an issue with critical thinking.
Getting Kounde as well? They surely have to get this deal over the line.
Lewandowski: 360k
Raphinha: 240k
Kessie: 260k
Christensen: 200k
Kounde: 250k?
Surely their salary cap cant accomodate all these additions. Theyve also got 14 players on over 200k euros a week. With debt repayments, their salary cap will reduce massively next year too. It's lunacy.
Lewandowski: 360k
Raphinha: 240k
Kessie: 260k
Christensen: 200k
Kounde: 250k?
Surely their salary cap cant accomodate all these additions. Theyve also got 14 players on over 200k euros a week. With debt repayments, their salary cap will reduce massively next year too. It's lunacy.
The ones I've seen including Romano said he's yet to be convinced but i guess we'll soon see.
17 million reasons to take it to the wire
I'm not sure why Barca would think FDJ could blink at all. Only explanation is they expect us to randomly "solve the problem" out of pocket. That is never going to happen surely.
And the thing is, there is absolutely no scenario you can compare to this Frenkie one, as there doesn't ever seem to be a similar case like it before. So, to make assumptions on what Frenkie wants is somewhat pointless.
Now, you can say Feenkie has said he doesn't want to leave Barca, which is true. Barca have also said on numerous occasions for him to stay he will need to take a paycut, which he hasn't yet done.
So taking all the above into account, we can comfortably say no one really know where the situation is. However, there supporters like me, who like to use actual logic and the word of trusted reporters who write for United, rather than some Spanish media outlet eho cannot stick to one story.
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