If EtH thinks Frenkie is one of a kind and is essential to implement what he wants, then I see why we are okay to play the waiting game.. I assume not getting him means, we go into the season with the team as it is right now
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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BTW i fully believed that in the end he will be our, this saga is so boring.
Sorry. I just saw a negative tweet. Saw it was you and my heart sank.
very likely
Yes, and he should bear the consequences / blame in that case when it eventually goes south due to our lack of solid options in the midfield. This is going to be a complete piss take if we again go into the new season without having addressed our midfield. That’s why you need a real DoF in place to cut the bs like this when manager clearly is not in his right mind on certain subjects.
Yeah this has another month to run
Muppet train delayed
Oh yeah totally agree
Yeah two midfielders was probably in the clubs thinking until that Ronaldo stuff first broke
I think it's as ridiculous as people choose to make it. Logical deduction tells a story of brinkmanship and as long a game as Barcelona have to hold out for before they are forced to act, as in play their hand.
Nothing is going to happen before then no matter how fans wish to will it into existence.
There's a long way to go for a conclusion yet.
Yeah no intention of paying whatsoever
We've been complete idiots/cretins/retards under Woodward for a decade. We constantly overpaid, signed bad contracts and made wrong football decisions (commercial side was OK). Not anymore.
Fee for FDJ was agreed. Player agreed to come to us. But Barcelona decided to play their dirty game and force us to pay what they owe to FDJ (17mil). We are not budging - and I completely understand that. If we don't sign him - I'm good with that. Enough of that "we are very rich and very stupid" or "it's not our money".
And all that blah-blah-blah that FDJ wants to go to Chelsea only or wants to stay at Barca is just propaganda BS fed to us. Nobody would agree on a fee if player refused to go and told ETH about it.
For now it's a waiting game. Let's see if Barca really that strong.
Fee for FDJ was agreed. Player agreed to come to us. But Barcelona decided to play their dirty game and force us to pay what they owe to FDJ (17mil). We are not budging - and I completely understand that. If we don't sign him - I'm good with that. Enough of that "we are very rich and very stupid" or "it's not our money".
And all that blah-blah-blah that FDJ wants to go to Chelsea only or wants to stay at Barca is just propaganda BS fed to us. Nobody would agree on a fee if player refused to go and told ETH about it.
For now it's a waiting game. Let's see if Barca really that strong.
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So 6 for Lisandro, 14 for Eriksen, 21 is still free.
I wonder why Eriksen hasn’t been given the 21 he wore at Brentford…
My god this is so done
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It's all starting to fall in to place. De Jong is coming boys! Sport are going into overdrive to think up more slurs against United and Manchester in general
Martinez was also 21 at Ajax... just adding fuel to the fire here
So Arujo and Kounde will be first choice? They have Christensen and Pique as back up, what the hell does that make Frenkie?!!
In my mind the answer is ‘a United player’.
I covered that on the last pageMartinez was also 21 at Ajax... just adding fuel to the fire here
As are the muppets. He is coming.
Turned me on this. Feel like Eriksen is going to be a key player for us. In form Eriksen during his Spurs days was a force to be reckoned with.
Imagine if that Eriksen turns up.
BuT We hAvE nO PlAn B!!!!!!11!!
One scenario which I've not seen mentioned in the 43,000 posts yet (if it has, feck it I'm gonna say it anyway) is this:
- Barca may well have already offered FDJ the £17m deferred wages if he accepts to leave
- Despite this, FDJ may well have still refused to leave
- We can't underestimate the factor and influence lifestyle and family will play in a players decision. For some players its more important than others. He and in particular, his wife may love the life in Barca in that FDJ would be willing to put that as a higher priority than his footballing career.
- For his wife, it's either a beautiful place to live with great lifestyle in Barca, to coming to Manchester which isn't even a comparison. Especially with the grim weather. The footballing side doesn't affect his wife, only FDJ.
- This scenario would tie in with what Graeme Hunter said on Talksport in that the rumour Barca don't want to pay what he's owed is complete nonsense. He said Barca are happy to pay it.
- As this prolongs further, I'm of the opinion that he's been offered the money he's owed and he's refused and insisted he still wants to stay regardless of limited playing time. So that leads on to his contract if he stays. Barca obviously want him to reduce his wages and he's probably insisting he's doing nothing wrong by sticking to his original contract which he's completely entitled to. He's probably thinking if I'm going to stay and sacrifice a chunk of my footballing career, I'm going to at least take some big money home.
- Ultimately, I think he may end up staying and accepting a reduced contract near the end of the window.
- Barca may well have already offered FDJ the £17m deferred wages if he accepts to leave
- Despite this, FDJ may well have still refused to leave
- We can't underestimate the factor and influence lifestyle and family will play in a players decision. For some players its more important than others. He and in particular, his wife may love the life in Barca in that FDJ would be willing to put that as a higher priority than his footballing career.
- For his wife, it's either a beautiful place to live with great lifestyle in Barca, to coming to Manchester which isn't even a comparison. Especially with the grim weather. The footballing side doesn't affect his wife, only FDJ.
- This scenario would tie in with what Graeme Hunter said on Talksport in that the rumour Barca don't want to pay what he's owed is complete nonsense. He said Barca are happy to pay it.
- As this prolongs further, I'm of the opinion that he's been offered the money he's owed and he's refused and insisted he still wants to stay regardless of limited playing time. So that leads on to his contract if he stays. Barca obviously want him to reduce his wages and he's probably insisting he's doing nothing wrong by sticking to his original contract which he's completely entitled to. He's probably thinking if I'm going to stay and sacrifice a chunk of my footballing career, I'm going to at least take some big money home.
- Ultimately, I think he may end up staying and accepting a reduced contract near the end of the window.
When the DoF is inadequate and a Glazer yes-man, then unfortunately things like this will happen.
You mean like that time we were chasing Sancho and ended up paying 40 million on Diallo as 'Plan B'?
Amad (as he prefers to be called) was never a plan B. He went straight into the u23s. Nice try.
Fair points. That said, If it’s just him wanting to stay, then I think we would have pulled the plug. Also, if Barca don’t want him and would like to play others before him, he would eventually have to leave regardless.
I think this comes down to money. That’s my opinion.
Barca need to sell
Unless I am missing something this has been the situation for the whole summer. Barca HAVE to reduce their wage bill and FDJ is the highest paid player. If he was really staying he would have taken the pay cut already. He is looking for a settlement for the deferred wages. Barca is just hoping he goes away. It will be late and most likely not his full deferred wages but I expect a settlement and FDJ being a United player.
Let's see.
Unless I am missing something this has been the situation for the whole summer. Barca HAVE to reduce their wage bill and FDJ is the highest paid player. If he was really staying he would have taken the pay cut already. He is looking for a settlement for the deferred wages. Barca is just hoping he goes away. It will be late and most likely not his full deferred wages but I expect a settlement and FDJ being a United player.
Let's see
.I will never trust the British press again if this were true.
If the above is true, we should stay away. It’s a disaster if lifestyle has a higher priority for a footballer than career and football-related matters
I've always believed it's about money, but as time has dragged on I've become less convinced. Especially after Graeme Hunter who's the La Liga don of reporters laughed off any suggestion that Barca were refusing to pay him. He said Barca were happy to pay him but in installments. I wouldn't see why FDJ would have a big objection to being paid in installments.
It just leads me to think it really is down to lifestyle and family. If I was his wife, I sure as shit would be giving him some serious grief right now if he was considering swapping Barca for Man Utd.
I've been raised pretty much all my life in Manchester. Been a Utd fan all my life. But if I was a professional footballer, I'm not sure I could turn down playing and living in Barca!
what does the player achieve though by taking a massive pay cut? Apart from losing dignity, becoming a mockery of himself and tens of millions of euros?
Sell it to me.
But wouldn't you make career decisions based on discussions with your family? I know his playing time would be pretty limited this season, but his opportunity may come next season when Busquets leaves and they don't really have anyone else for that position. I know my decision on a career choice would definitely be heavily influence by my familys thoughts.
FDJ may just be thinking he'll ride his time out this season and see whether he gets back in once Busquets has gone.
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