Benjamin Sesko | Despite Raees best efforts he’s joining Liepzig. Damn you Raees

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Don't know this guy but YT left me underwhelmed, he looks weird running, like he wearing high heels or boots 2 sizes to small???
 

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Would be a pleasant surprise if we sign Sesko as it would be proof we actually do have a scouting system
 

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Can someone give me context to the thread title

Who said he’s close to joining United?

As with everything in the transfer window it is just rumor and speculation until it happens , but seemingly reports today are that Real Madrid inquired about him and were told they were too late as he is on the verge of joining us.
 

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That would be great news. Until we find out he has a wooden leg after he signs for us.
 

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Maybe we’ve missed out on Frenkie and this is another panic buy to appease the fans in the same way we bought Amad and Pellistri after missing out on Sancho.
 

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Don't know this guy but YT left me underwhelmed, he looks weird running, like he wearing high heels or boots 2 sizes to small???
Same here. I just can't see it. The caf says he's fast, but he looks clumsy and slow to me. Travels with the ball for all of 5 yards before laying it off to continue running, which again he does very awkwardly. Also don't see much in his shooting, always seem to shoot with the inside of his boot, which is okay, but he generates very little power. Looks like a decent header of the ball, and has quite a good control of the ball. I think the little deft touches have swayed a large portion of the fan base who I'm sure hadn't seen a full game from him before the Liverpool highlights.


Maybe we’ve missed out on Frenkie and this is another panic buy to appease the fans in the same way we bought Amad and Pellistri after missing out on Sancho.
Usually don't subscribe to this tinfoil hat type of thinking, but given the hype around him from the online fanbase, it is very likely he's seen as a pacifying signing - along with being a decent talent at least - in case FDJ falls through.
 

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For me the worry with this signing is not that we aren't in for him, or aren't willing to pay over the top for him, it's that he might choose another club, or stay in Salzburg because we've developed a reputation as a club that is not good for your developement and going to stall your career. Now I think EtH will reverse that stigma, but it's going to take time.
 

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You’re making no sense, and haven’t actually constructed any sort of point here.
This isn't a Martial thread, and generally have no issues with him, but he looked happy and ready to go in preseason, we sign Ronaldo, his attitude changed, his productivity changed, and then he basically refused to play and pushed for a loan.

I know a lot of people are currently criticizing Ronaldo for this exact behavior, and don't want to seem hypocritical, but it was only a couple months ago Martial was beyond desperate to get out of this club.
 

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If the CAF was in charge of negotiations we'd either pay way over the odds "Just pay the money" Sancho Era or we'd walk away from every single deal.

Funny how the CAF complains about worrying that the club signing no one but they'd also in another breath, walk away from A LOT of potential deals instead of negotiating.
These are the stages of a caf transfer:

1. We need to sign a striker. The Glazers are being cheap and not trying to compete.
2. We need to get back to when we buy unproven players and make them into superstars.
3. We are interest in him? Never heard of him.
4. After YT video analysis - wow. We MUST GET HIM at any cost. After all why keep any of the money when I could all go back and line the Glazers pockets.
5. Wow. We finally got the kid. I am so excited.

6. We paid how much? Nobody ever heard of the kid 10 days ago. The feckin United tax. As usual we are seen as suckers. Paying over the odds as usual. Another panic buy.
7. We never change. Embarrassing.
 

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We definitely didn’t ‘massively overpay’ for Martial. You don’t get to wait 6 years and then decide whether you like the player and determine value. He came in as a teenager and was comfortably our best player. 17 goals first season, has out up a 21 goal season and won the Golden Ball. What should we have paid, 15m?

Even now, he’s currently our first choice striker 6 years later. We have certainly not overpaid at 36m for what we got. That’s what Scamacca has just cost. If you buy a teenager for 36m and he spends 8-10 years at the club, ending seasons as your top scorer, then it’s easily fair.
I agree in the sense that I don't think we overpaid for Martial. He started off well and it was all very exciting. Genuinely looked a great prospect and a great addition to the side. I'd say the bigger issue with United is that we buy players who initially look decent/good/great, but then we have an issue with taking them on to the next level. I'd say that largely down to mismanagement, where we've had several managers come in without a clear and distinctive pathway for progression and improvement, especially for younger players. It's just been a mess. Another example I'd say is Luke Shaw, who I was very excited about when he first came. He has either stayed at the same level...or on many occasions, actually regressed.

It should be in the club's DNA as the type of place that young players are striving to get picked up by, because not only will it be a great place to play football, but a place where you can improve and get taken to the next level.
 

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Would prefer to go after Gakpo but Sesko looks like a player with decent potential. Will he turn out to be a better investment than Scammaca though, who has more top level experience and is in a similar price bracket?
 

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I agree in the sense that I don't think we overpaid for Martial. He started off well and it was all very exciting. Genuinely looked a great prospect and a great addition to the side. I'd say the bigger issue with United is that we buy players who initially look decent/good/great, but then we have an issue with taking them on to the next level. I'd say that largely down to mismanagement, where we've had several managers come in without a clear and distinctive pathway for progression and improvement, especially for younger players. It's just been a mess. Another example I'd say is Luke Shaw, who I was very excited about when he first came. He has either stayed at the same level...or on many occasions, actually regressed.

It should be in the club's DNA as the type of place that young players are striving to get picked up by, because not only will it be a great place to play football, but a place where you can improve and get taken to the next level.
I think the key to developing players is that you have good senior pros already at the club. That is something we haven’t had, generally speaking, for years. Not just ‘good pros’ in terms of attitude and professionalism, but top senior players who are first expected to deliver for us. For years, if we had signed a talented 19 year old in pretty much any position, the success of our season would depend upon their integration. We are hoping that they can be excellent from the start because chances are, whoever is playing their position ahead of them has a number of question marks. Young players don’t have a protected environment where they can come off the bench here and there and contribute and make mistakes because, chances are, Ruud van Nistelrooy and one from Becks will win the game anyway. If we sign a young midfielder, he needs to lead us, if we sign a young winger, we need him to elevate us, right-back - same thing. The profile of Harvey Elliott at Liverpool and the one he’d have here is so different because the seniors are not good enough to get it done without them. By the time Elliott develops and is genuinely relied upon to win trophies for Liverpool - he’ll be about 22/23. Same as the likes of Jones. City could sign a £50m young player and start him on the bench for much of his first year. The media wouldn’t make a fuss either as we can see it’s a top team to break into.
 

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If we add Šeško and either De Jong or Neves, it's been a good window. We need more, but this isn't Football Manager and, sadly, we wasted our moment of strength as a buying force on Pogba, Sanchez, Falcao etc.
 

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I think the key to developing players is that you have good senior pros already at the club. That is something we haven’t had, generally speaking, for years. Not just ‘good pros’ in terms of attitude and professionalism, but top senior players who are first expected to deliver for us. For years, if we had signed a talented 19 year old in pretty much any position, the success of our season would depend upon their integration. We are hoping that they can be excellent from the start because chances are, whoever is playing their position ahead of them has a number of question marks. Young players don’t have a protected environment where they can come off the bench here and there and contribute and make mistakes because, chances are, Ruud van Nistelrooy and one from Becks will win the game anyway. If we sign a young midfielder, he needs to lead us, if we sign a young winger, we need him to elevate us, right-back - same thing. The profile of Harvey Elliott at Liverpool and the one he’d have here is so different because the seniors are not good enough to get it done without them. By the time Elliott develops and is genuinely relied upon to win trophies for Liverpool - he’ll be about 22/23. Same as the likes of Jones. City could sign a £50m young player and start him on the bench for much of his first year. The media wouldn’t make a fuss either as we can see it’s a top team to break into.
I agree with all of that and think you're right. Let's hope we can get back to something like that. We need more younger, hungry players coming to the club, and we need the senior players to show them what's expected.
 

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Would prefer to go after Gakpo but Sesko looks like a player with decent potential. Will he turn out to be a better investment than Scammaca though, who has more top level experience and is in a similar price bracket?
Scamacca's already moved to West Ham so not much point comparing them now, but yes I personally would have liked him at Utd. Nonetheless, it's very encouraging for me that Real are interested in Sesko given their recent record with young players. The fact that so many big clubs are interested in Sesko clearly shows he's a special talent worth pursuing.
 

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According to European football journalist Andy Brassell he’s not as prolific but has a far better all round game then Haaland did at the same age.
 

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If we add Šeško and either De Jong or Neves, it's been a good window. We need more, but this isn't Football Manager and, sadly, we wasted our moment of strength as a buying force on Pogba, Sanchez, Falcao etc.
Sanchez and Falcao were already old with nothing to give
 

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Scamacca's already moved to West Ham so not much point comparing them now, but yes I personally would have liked him at Utd. Nonetheless, it's very encouraging for me that Real are interested in Sesko given their recent record with young players. The fact that so many big clubs are interested in Sesko clearly shows he's a special talent worth pursuing.
I'm comparing them because I'm sure we could have signed him had we wanted to go for him.
 

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Would prefer to go after Gakpo but Sesko looks like a player with decent potential. Will he turn out to be a better investment than Scammaca though, who has more top level experience and is in a similar price bracket?
Isn’t scammaca of to West Ham?
 

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About time we go after a very young striker..: the amount of times we’ve signed old strikers just for short term options and because of there name… what happened to being the club that made superstars instead of already signing them. Ronaldos the player he is today because we took a gamble on him when he was unheard of. Let’s try and do the same with this guy. We could easily double his value in a few seasons.
 

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Isn’t scammaca of to West Ham?
Yeah he's already gone. I'm saying that we could have gone for him as he was in a similar price range and I think he would have wanted to come here. But I think they're a different profile to one another. Will be interesting to see how he develops.
 

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I agree in the sense that I don't think we overpaid for Martial. He started off well and it was all very exciting. Genuinely looked a great prospect and a great addition to the side. I'd say the bigger issue with United is that we buy players who initially look decent/good/great, but then we have an issue with taking them on to the next level. I'd say that largely down to mismanagement, where we've had several managers come in without a clear and distinctive pathway for progression and improvement, especially for younger players. It's just been a mess. Another example I'd say is Luke Shaw, who I was very excited about when he first came. He has either stayed at the same level...or on many occasions, actually regressed.

It should be in the club's DNA as the type of place that young players are striving to get picked up by, because not only will it be a great place to play football, but a place where you can improve and get taken to the next level.
Yeah 100%.

We looked like we were going the same route with Sancho who is arguably one of the biggest prospects in Europe.

It's still possible if EtH fails but given we got that appointment going, I think the rest will fall in place.
 

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Sanchez and Falcao were already old with nothing to give
Exactly. Same with Ronaldo, I don't care how many goals he scored last season or whether you believe setting the team up around him was a mistake or not, it was a very expensive decision with no future in it. I'm praying those days are over.
 
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