The RedCafe Boxing Thread
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Unfortunately it's been always like that, fixed matches and biased or outright incompetent judging has been a part of boxing as long as boxing has existed.
On a more serious note, while Joshua had a better game plan today, I don’t think Usyk was as good as usual.
On today’s form, you’d definitely take Fury over him
On today’s form, you’d definitely take Fury over him
I think he was trying to be humble. The belt bit I missed, I only saw when he came back into the ring. Of course it came off cringeworthy.
I agree, there were at least 3 or 4 times where he looked a bit "in trouble"... Joshua just never followed up though.
Think some of you are being a little harsh on AJ's performance. I thought he did a reasonable job until say round 9 or 10, hanging with one of the best pure boxers on the planet in gruelling conditions. He was tidy enough with his bodywork, he just unraveled a bit towards the end and started to take shots cleanly and he just found Usyk's head very hard to catch clean, which I think most do.
Ultimately he's just not as good as Usyk and Fury, but he's done very well for himself. I preferred him earlier in his career when he committed more often but tonight wasn't a bad performance.
Ultimately he's just not as good as Usyk and Fury, but he's done very well for himself. I preferred him earlier in his career when he committed more often but tonight wasn't a bad performance.
Yeah it was so horribly patronisingAlso, I can’t believe he hip hip hooray’d him
He did about as good as he could have done but he has never had anywhere near the talent of the real top fighters out there and he clearly believes his own hype. It was a good fight and he was much better prepared but he was well beaten in the end.
Jaysus mate you're a little too much of an AJ fan. You're not being objective at all. This was peak cringe
I’m sure Joshua will apologise, as he should, in the media ASAP.
I’m sure they’ll mention concussion.
It was closer than the first fight. AJ was too passive with the jab but he definitely had success especially with the body shots and hurt Usyk more than once. I didn't think he could technically outbox Usyk anyway but he did well.
As I said by the 9th it could have gone either way.
Id take Fury over him on any form tbh
AJ’s fake nice guy mask fell off tonight and he completely embarrassed himself and the country he represents.
Not really, I just thought it was funny
Oh he'll apologise and he should... But yeah it's just a bloke showing emotion. You'd think he went out there and killed a man by some peoples (not on here) reaction!
By the 9th AJ already probably needed a knockout as he was 2 or 3 rounds behind. He had a good 9th round but other than that he was outboxed throughout and was well behind on points. He was never close to being ahead at any point in the fight in my opinion.
Didn't AJ pull that same shite after the first Ruiz fight
Yeah that’s my take. It was a frustrating performance, the bodywork was great but he just wouldn’t capitalise on it.
I honestly think that since Ruiz he’s become scared of being hit. There were opportunities tonight to actually stand and trade with Usyk which was by far his best option as opposed to trying to box him….and he didn’t take them, he’d back away.
Hopefully that's joshua pushed into obscurity. Absolute dreadful performance. And piss poor sportsmanship. Hope he faces wilder next, or any other mediocre boxer who will knock him the feck out. Round one please. And then feck off. Dosser.
Tbf, as funny as it was, I am slightly worried AJ has a concussion as he was rambling a bit. That said, he has meme'd himself for life.
Who are the "real top fighters"? It's only really Usyk and Fury, you're making it sound like there's a whole host of them. Nobody else has any massive claim to a better CV. He's done very well for himself, knocking over Wlad, Parker, Whyte, avenging a defeat which takes a bit of bottle.
Fury and Usyk are pretty damn good. Usyk will go down as an all time great for his amateur career, his work in two divisions, and Fury would be trouble for anyone in history due to his size and ability.
AJ has been a legit world class heavyweight with a good record he's just not as good as two special fighters. People love to beat him down for some reason. He has flaws but most heavies do.
I've rewatched it now and that speech was weirdly Partridge. Utterly bizarre and patronising. The mask slipped for a second and showed AJ outside of his PR bubble, and to be a total prick.
Sky are a joke. The reason they were biased is because AJ left them to sign for DAZN last year. Barely noted any of Joshua’s work, and they focused heavily on his speech at the end. The presenter even hinted at the fact that the speech was him letting go of his ‘media training’- ironic since it was Sky who trained him up in that regard as he was the face of their boxing.
Now that he is of no use to them, I feel they’ve just thrown him under the bus. I’m no AJ fan, but kinda feel bad for him with regards to their fight coverage, even the pre fight stuff. You can bet if he was still their fighter the commentary would’ve been completely different.
Usyk wasn't that great by the way. Fury would overwhelm him.
Bit harsh
In fairness, early in his career, they'd fondle his balls for knocking out a part-time plumber, so it's kind of even.
I switched between streams and the American commentary was more complimentary of AJ than Sky’s. Sky really wanted to Usyk to win. Bizarre really.
For what it's worth, I was watching the DAZN stream and their commentators were saying Usyk won comfortably and that it was a joke it was a split decision as well.
Only because it completely benefits them to have someone who sells pay-per views for them.
AJ clearly lost, but I can’t stand Sky. You just have to watch Johnny Nelsons pre-fight interviews calling AJ to retire if he loses the fight. Would’ve never heard this stuff if he was bringing money in for them.
They’ve been all over Usyk aswell- it’s clear he was favourite and they’d ideally want to sign him up for his upcoming fights
they have to. Building up fighters as they come up is part of the job.
This explains it. The level of bias was astonishing and its definitely affecting people's opinion.
It'd weird they do that. Surely Joshua is experienced enough that you can tell him the truth?
Boxing seems to have extremely biased commentators. Is it because of the war with Ukraine making them hype up Usyk?
A few live updates of the fight that I looked at had it basically even around the 9th or 10th.
Weirdly it was the American judge who gave the win to AJ while the English judge had Usyk by 2 rounds.
I don't think Macklin was that biased. The scoring at the start maybe, but his observations were alright for me.
It would be Adam Smith with any agenda as head of boxing at Sky. Bit of a knob anyway, shouldn't be a commentator.
It would be Adam Smith with any agenda as head of boxing at Sky. Bit of a knob anyway, shouldn't be a commentator.
A lot of hate for Joshua for some reason. I've seen post's that say he was completely outclassed, which is bollocks. He lost the fight, but it wasn't as wide as some people are making out.
He's a very good heavyweight, unfortunately he's not elite, but there are still some intriguing fights out there for him.
He's a very good heavyweight, unfortunately he's not elite, but there are still some intriguing fights out there for him.
Fury will beat Joshua easily
I wonder if we'll ever get that fight now... I doubt it.
Maybe if Fury loses to Usyk but I don't see that happening at all. He'll just box behind his very long jab.
So was he concussed ?
Wtf was that at the end.
I thought I was watching a wwf throwback.
Wtf was that at the end.
I thought I was watching a wwf throwback.
AJ did a lot better than I thought, but Usyk wasn’t his best self tonight and still won.
AJ ruined his performance by that meltdown with the belts and walking out the ring.
Fury is too big for Usyk to beat, be a good fight though.
AJ ruined his performance by that meltdown with the belts and walking out the ring.
Fury is too big for Usyk to beat, be a good fight though.
Fury has a max two fights left. Usyk and maybe Usyk part 2. However, I can see him avoiding Usyk as he is tricky. I think Fury wins but it wouldn't be the landslide he would've got against AJ.
AJ has definitely fecked a lot of peoples mums.
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By the 9th round:
First judge: 5 rounds to Joshua and 4 to Usyk.
Third judge: 4 rounds to Joshua and 5 to Usyk.
The difference was the last three rounds and it's backed by the scorecard. On what earth is this supposed to be "outclassed"? It was a good effort by AJ, nothing to be ashamed about here against an all time great boxer.