The RedCafe Boxing Thread

[Hernandez - BFA]

A lot of hate for Joshua for some reason. I've seen post's that say he was completely outclassed, which is bollocks. He lost the fight, but it wasn't as wide as some people are making out.

He's a very good heavyweight, unfortunately he's not elite, but there are still some intriguing fights out there for him.

The hate isn’t because of his boxing, which you seem to be commenting on. The hate is more down to how he handled himself post fight. The throw of the belts, the way he spoke to Usyk, the way he took the mic and took away Usyk’s moment. It was embarrassing - anyone who says it isn’t clearly have no sense of it.

Joshua did a lot better than in the first place. He should be proud for that. But he was not close to beating Usyk on points over the 12 rounds.

Usyk vs Fury will be tasty. Fury will be favourite but that wasn’t Usyk at his best.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

really embarrassing. can't help but feel moments like this will define his career

 

[SilentWitness]

Looks like Fury vs Usyk is going to go ahead, can’t wait.

 

[Red the Bear]

Looks like Fury vs Usyk is going to go ahead, can’t wait.

The defining heavyweight match of this generation, shame it took this long, both have gotten a tad old, usyk in particular seemed to have lost some of his stamina.

 

[VorZakone]

I think Fury wins that easily.

 

[DannyCAFC]

Typical Fury. Calls out Chisora for a trilogy fight, retires 3 days later, 9 days after that he's saying get your cheque book out for the Usyk fight.

Absolutely needs to happen regardless. Will be interesting to see what approach Fury would take in this one.

 

[Red the Bear]

Any chance of it taking place at Old Trafford with fury being an United fan and all that?

 

[SilentWitness]

Any chance of it taking place at Old Trafford with fury being an United fan and all that?

i would be surprised if it wasn’t in SA again.

 

[Red the Bear]

i would be surprised if it wasn’t in SA again.

Shame, SA has a subpar atmosphere , would have been great for it to take place at OT.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Shame, SA has a subpar atmosphere , would have been great for it to take place at OT.

Nowhere pays like SA

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Joshua doesn't have anywhere to go from here, does he?

He's a money fight for pretty much every other fighter in the division so he has loads of options if he still has the hunger to compete. Domestic showdowns versus the likes of Joyce and Dubois, or even a Dillian Whyte rematch would all be fun fights that would keep him entrenched in the upper echelons if he wins. Joshua vs Wilder would still draw a huge amount of interest too.

Who are the "real top fighters"? It's only really Usyk and Fury, you're making it sound like there's a whole host of them. Nobody else has any massive claim to a better CV. He's done very well for himself, knocking over Wlad, Parker, Whyte, avenging a defeat which takes a bit of bottle.

Fury and Usyk are pretty damn good. Usyk will go down as an all time great for his amateur career, his work in two divisions, and Fury would be trouble for anyone in history due to his size and ability.

AJ has been a legit world class heavyweight with a good record he's just not as good as two special fighters. People love to beat him down for some reason. He has flaws but most heavies do.

Agreed. He's put together a very respectable CV already, and there's still plenty of winnable fights out there for him.

 

[Red the Bear]

Nowhere pays like SA

The sad reality of boxing i guess, what a shame as it has no soul.

 

[SuperiorXI]

The sad reality of boxing i guess, what a shame as it has no soul.

Yeah it's the worst venue I've seen. Soulless and boring.

 

[General_Elegancia]

Looks like Fury vs Usyk is going to go ahead, can’t wait.

I would bet my life on Tyson Fury.

 

[Andrade]

Who are the "real top fighters"? It's only really Usyk and Fury, you're making it sound like there's a whole host of them. Nobody else has any massive claim to a better CV. He's done very well for himself, knocking over Wlad, Parker, Whyte, avenging a defeat which takes a bit of bottle.

Fury and Usyk are pretty damn good. Usyk will go down as an all time great for his amateur career, his work in two divisions, and Fury would be trouble for anyone in history due to his size and ability.

AJ has been a legit world class heavyweight with a good record he's just not as good as two special fighters. People love to beat him down for some reason. He has flaws but most heavies do.

Really interesting to consider how he would fare against past greats. He's a massive guy. Of the people I've seen, I think Lennox would beat him. He weighed about 17 and a half stone in his fighting prime and had great boxing ability for a man that size. It would be a tough fight though.

 

[Moston Red]

I think Fury wins that easily.

Agreed, as good as Usyk is Fury will be a physical nightmare for him.

 

[cyberman]

Fury on TalkSport now. Of course Simon Jordan is talking over him.
He wants 500m to face Usyk. He’ll get it too

 

[pocco]

Fury on TalkSport now. Of course Simon Jordan is talking over him.
He wants 500m to face Usyk. He’ll get it too

I hope he does. Easy money.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Fury on TalkSport now. Of course Simon Jordan is talking over him.
He wants 500m to face Usyk. He’ll get it too

Simon Jordan is a gobshite, hasn't got a clue about boxing.

Peter Fury pretty much summed up my thoughts on AJ vs Usyk in this video, sums it up very well.

 

[TheReligion]

Fury has publicly offered Joshua a fight for the belt.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Fury has publicly offered Joshua a fight for the belt.

He'd rather face Joshua for Megabucks than Usyk for short money.
1 stay busy fight this year then Joshua next Spring/Summer I reckon.

 

[cyberman]

He'd rather face Joshua for Megabucks than Usyk for short money.
1 stay busy fight this year then Joshua next Spring/Summer I reckon.

Usyk is taking time off for injuries

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Usyk is taking time off for injuries

Fury wouldn’t fight him anyway if there are easier pickings elsewhere which there are with Joshua.

 

[Lay]

Ruiz v Ortiz looked like a slug fest.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Fury has said that he has offered AJ 60-40 in favour of Fury. That's an excellent deal for AJ if true... in reality it should be 70/80 on Fury.

Let's see what AJ wants to do. He is being given a massive opportunity here.

 

[Kevin]

Fury wouldn’t fight him anyway if there are easier pickings elsewhere which there are with Joshua.

Has he got a history of ducking boxers?

 

[Vapor trail]

Has he got a history of ducking boxers?

Was about to say this. Especially taking on Wilder when he was basically inactive and Wilder had the reputation of being a bogey man in the division. Speaks volumes about Fury's determination.

 

[pocco]

Fury wouldn’t fight him anyway if there are easier pickings elsewhere which there are with Joshua.

 

[Pirlo'sBeard]

Jake Paul vs Anderson Silva is a done deal.

Really hope Silva takes care of business.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Has he got a history of ducking boxers?

Depends what you regard as a duck.
He roided up in his 1st Klitschko fight and hid from a rematch while clean.
He's not a frequent offender and will fight vast majority of opponents for the right money but Usyk is too high risk too low reward while Joshua is available for better odds.
I don't blame Fury for targeting AJ but that is certainly the prize.

 

[TMDaines]

The irony if this gets made now when everyone has mentally moved on a bit.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Fury is apparently doing a video every hour today trying to get AJ to sign.

I have a feeling this might just be all smoke and he might end up withdrawing... I hope not.

 

[TheReligion]

When did Wilder become so weird?

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1189922/deontay-wilder-trying-to-kill-tyson-fury-cheating/amp/

 

[TheReligion]

Assuming Shields-Marshall will be cancelled for tomorrow?

 

[Glorio]

Assuming Shields-Marshall will be cancelled for tomorrow?

Really hope not! And I'm not trying to be insensitive.

I'd get the forced mourning if the queen were young and went before her time. Passing away by natural causes deserves a celebration of life.

 

[TheReligion]

Really hope not! And I'm not trying to be insensitive.

I'd get the forced mourning if the queen were young and went before her time. Passing away by natural causes deserves a celebration of life.

Yeah I was looking forward to it myself mate. Especially when the fighters have been preparing for this for months. Bit different to cancelling other sports events.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

The Shields v Marshall fight has been moved to the 15th of October, another bollocks decision.

 

[Port Vale Devil]

The Shields v Marshall fight has been moved to the 15th of October, another bollocks decision.

Terrible decision. These fighters are in camp for weeks/months and everything is timed for them to peak for this fight.

Cancelling anything where people can have a good time is hardly a fitting tribute.

 

[SuperiorXI]

I'm sorry but this whole cancelling sport thing is fecking daft, such nonsense.

 

[T00lsh3d]

I'm sorry but this whole cancelling sport thing is fecking daft, such nonsense.

I really don’t understand how it’s deemed respectful. “Out of respect we’re going to cancel our commitments and feck with everyone’s schedule”. I’m sure the Queen would be proud as feck