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surprised at the lack of ambition. Players like Evans and Smalling moved on and had good careers. Phil just wants his big contract
He was only going to be a sub there as well. Maybe a bit higher than 5th or 6th choice, but still only a sub. Would you move yourself and your family (or leave your family behind) for 4-5 months of sitting on the bench? From all accounts he was up for the move if he could find a club where he'd be a starter.Yeah, when he rejected the loan to Bordeaux in January for 6 months whilst being our 5th or 6th choice, it really made me realise that he doesn't have the fight anymore sadly. Prior to that I thought it was all a physical issue.
Does such club exist? Based on his injury record which top level club would immediately have him as a starter. If he shows zero ambition in the first place he won't get anywhere. This is what an entitled and overpaid salary does to players.He was only going to be a sub there as well. Maybe a bit higher than 5th or 6th choice, but still only a sub. Would you move yourself and your family (or leave your family behind) for 4-5 months of sitting on the bench? From all accounts he was up for the move if he could find a club where he'd be a starter.
Its only him and DDG, right?So we've got Martinez, Varane, Maguire and Lindelof + Jones as 5th choice CB. Jonesy will probably play in Carabao Cup/Fa Cup in those early stages of the competition before leaving for free next summer. Will be sad losing one of the last PL medal winners in our squad.
+ Ronaldo, though he obviously wasn't in that last winning squad of 12/13.Its only him and DDG, right?
One word - Ed.Why does he still have a squad number? Why is he still in the squad?
I get why we can't sell him.One word - Ed.
He extended his contract couple of years ago. And considering that Phil is mostly injured and not very good there is no chance to get any money for him. So we will keep waisting about 75K/week till his contract is up. Players and contracts like this is a big problem for our club.
I agree with you 100%. If we move all deadwood (a lot) to U23 we will need to create another U23 team. Something like U23-A and U23-B (deadwood). Unfortunately as everybody knows this club is a huge corporation and huge corporations come with a lot of bureaucracy. That's why properly run clubs can sell their assets for good money and we almost always run down contracts (Lukaku was exception).I don't get why he's still in the squad. Take away his first-team status, his shirt number, and have him train with the u-23s. Do the same with all the deadwood. We have to be more ruthless, as any other club would be.
That’s right. Demote, take away a number 4 shirt and don’t register him for any competitions that require registering of players. Would be good to also publicly state that his services are no longer neededI don't get why he's still in the squad. Take away his first-team status, his shirt number, and have him train with the u-23s.
I agree from United’s perspective . Although it doesn’t say much for his desire to play football. You‘d think at his age that he might want a move to try to salvage something from his career in a less scrutinised environment.Don’t mind him staying at all if it means we can shop Maguire. He’s no worse anyway. If we sold Harold now, our senior options are Varane, Martinez and Lindelöf. I don’t want us to be in a situation where we have to keep Maguire due to lack of bodies. Have Jones as 4th choice if need be, seeing as we stupidly gave Bailly away. But Maguire has to go.
In an emergency MacT or Shaw can play at the backDon’t mind him staying at all if it means we can shop Maguire. He’s no worse anyway. If we sold Harold now, our senior options are Varane, Martinez and Lindelöf. I don’t want us to be in a situation where we have to keep Maguire due to lack of bodies. Have Jones as 4th choice if need be, seeing as we stupidly gave Bailly away. But Maguire has to go.
If no team is prepared to take on Jones 75k wage on a free transfer who do you think is taking on Harry's 200k wage after paying a multimillion fee to buy himDon’t mind him staying at all if it means we can shop Maguire. He’s no worse anyway. If we sold Harold now, our senior options are Varane, Martinez and Lindelöf. I don’t want us to be in a situation where we have to keep Maguire due to lack of bodies. Have Jones as 4th choice if need be, seeing as we stupidly gave Bailly away. But Maguire has to go.
Not better than an actual centre half they can’t. Fitness aside, I would have no concerns about Jones having to step into the defence, which I can’t say for the others. Shaw has certainly impressed in a 3 here, while Scott has only played at PL level in a 3, and unimpressively so. Would rather not resort to that at the business end of a season. And Axel is useless too.In an emergency MacT or Shaw can play at the back
Well the market for both players are obviously very different, I’m not sure what the connection between the two is. Jones has played 10 games in 3 years. Maguire is the Manchester United captain. I’m not sure how a lack of interest in Jones equates to a lack of interest in Maguire.If no team is prepared to take on Jones 75k wage on a free transfer who do you think is taking on Harry's 200k wage after paying a multimillion fee to buy him
Like it or not, Maguires going nowhere anytime soon.
There's a market for neither, because both are currently paid far more than they're worth.Well the market for both players are obviously very different, I’m not sure what the connection between the two is. Jones has played 10 games in 3 years. Maguire is the Manchester United captain. I’m not sure how a lack of interest in Jones equates to a lack of interest in Maguire.
There could well be a personal reason why we do not do that.I get why we can't sell him.
I don't get why he's still in the squad. Take away his first-team status, his shirt number, and have him train with the u-23s. Do the same with all the deadwood. We have to be more ruthless, as any other club would be.
None of that makes any sense on the basis that Jones is almost never available to play. That renders him almost useless. Maguire is far more valuable than him for that reason aloneDon’t mind him staying at all if it means we can shop Maguire. He’s no worse anyway. If we sold Harold now, our senior options are Varane, Martinez and Lindelöf. I don’t want us to be in a situation where we have to keep Maguire due to lack of bodies. Have Jones as 4th choice if need be, seeing as we stupidly gave Bailly away. But Maguire has to go.
Is that how you imagine it to be or in reality? You seem to be wilfully ignoring reports of interest from two big clubs in Maguire this summer on the basis that you do not rate him and it makes little sense to you.There's a market for neither, because both are currently paid far more than they're worth.
The main "reports" are about Chelsea, who are clearly trying to get Leicester to shit themselves into agreeing to let Fofana go.Is that how you imagine it to be or in reality? You seem to be wilfully ignoring reports of interest from two big clubs in Maguire this summer on the basis that you do not rate him and it makes little sense to you.
The common sense theory would be that they have alternatives in the event that they are unable to get Fofana. Fofana himself is an alternative target after they were unsuccessful in signing Kounde. There is nothing ‘clear’ about it, it’s only clear to you because you personally cannot see that it makes sense that Chelsea are interested in Maguire. Or that Barcelona were interested too, as I did mention there were two clubs.The main "reports" are about Chelsea, who are clearly trying to get Leicester to shit themselves into agreeing to let Fofana go.
I mean, sure they're keen on Maguire, that's why they submitted a £70m bid for Fofana today, right?
Giving him that new contract was ridiculous. Did we (Ed) do it thinking he could make money?I still think back to when he was handed a new contract and there were some people saying it was a good decision. If we had released him he'd either be retired or in the injury room of some league two club by now
Jones literally is. He's done nothing for the club in years. He sits on treatment table (very occasionally the bench) happily earning his millions a year. It's unreal that this is his 12th season at the club.We use the phrase 'stealing a living' too loosely on the caf, but this guy is as close as it gets
There is another word for that; a leecher.We use the phrase 'stealing a living' too loosely on the caf, but this guy is as close as it gets