Did you give your list to Boehly? Maybe you should submit your list so that Boehly can guide your owners too.Love the leaps there mate. Im interested, do you have a link to these articles? Do we know who were in attendance? I'm trying to work out if I should have the rage with the Kroenkes again for not pushing the boat out to sign another wide player.
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We’ll, for nonsense, and for the posters above, try googling: Todd Boehly holds event for PL owners.
The line about the NFL is a direct quote as well.
Everything I’ve told you about how they would approach this from the moment they became leading candidates to buy our club has come true; including how much money they would spend this window. Not because I’m an insider, but because I can read and do basic math, and the loopholes were there to be taken advantage of. It’s not rocket science.
None of this a big secret. You may think the “structure of the PL” prevents them from monetary heights like the NFL, but Clearlake does not, or they think they can alter said structure.
But that’s a whole different, and perhaps more worrying, issue. My post was about the Unique nature of Covid and the FFP changes coming together, especially as they relate to Chelsea, and the purchase.
So, Synopsis: I told you guys this stuff at length months ago. You hit me with the same laughing emojis and told me I was mental. Your own country’s FFP specialists just appeared in the news to verify everything I previously told you … and more laughing emojis.
is anything above “he kick ball good” simply not tolerated?
One thing that definitely should worry us all though: the Clearlake group would not have backed out of the Superleague. Had they been owners then, they would have helped Barca and Madrid push it through. Maybe it still would have failed, but maybe not.
I fear I'm too late now!
The good thing for you guys is that he sees United key to driving the league forward. So he'll want you to be a success, hence telling everyone his strategy. Heck, he might have even given you a hand in negotiations with for Casemeiro & Antony given how successful he's been leading them with Chelsea.
In fact, I'm sure he'll want you to finish top 4, so much so that he might let Chelsea step out the way to make it happen!
I hope he sees that we don't have good RB and gives us James on loan for this year, or maybe someone like Kovacic on loan.I fear I'm too late now!
The good thing for you guys is that he sees United key to driving the league forward. So he'll want you to be a success, hence telling everyone his strategy. Heck, he might have even given you a hand in negotiations with for Casemeiro & Antony given how successful he's been leading them with Chelsea.
In fact, I'm sure he'll want you to finish top 4, so much so that he might let Chelsea step out the way to make it happen!
Obviously doesn't see us as highly as he does Utd, so the best I can hope for is one of the super talents on loan, maybe Chukwuemeka or give us Omari Hutchinson back!
Oh for the love of …. I never insinuated he told you who to buy. I speculated it might be possible he shared his insights into how to approach spending this window due to the FFP changes.
Read the articles in places like the Athletic about the large meetings Boehly arranged, and then note their increase in spending levels. I said it could be coincidental. But is it really a stretch? I only included it as lark, but Murtough is not exactly a financial genius, is he? He’s a football guy that started out running Evertons academy, right?
Americans hate collusion and socialism in everything except sports. The Clearlake people see you as partners in an entertainment brand they want to grow. Whether you believe anything else or not, that part is unequivocally true
By the way, Kroenke wouldnt have needed help. He has elite financial people working for him. He’s cheap, not dumb.
The Fenway group would see this coming as fast as Boehly, but they buy into the moneyball analytics thing like a mantra.
Do you not think that it might have simply been that some poor results and the pressure coming from all angles has made the situation a bit desperate for Utd, and on the flip side the good start from Arsenal has meant that they don't seem as desperate to overspend?
Im sure given how Utd are the most commercially successful side in the country and one of the top in the world they might have guys other than Murtough to understand finances?
Read the various Articles, like in The Athletic. This wasn’t clandestine. It was a pretty well publicized gesture on Boehlys part.Love the leaps there mate. Im interested, do you have a link to these articles? Do we know who were in attendance? I'm trying to work out if I should have the rage with the Kroenkes again for not pushing the boat out to sign another wide player.
You guys live and breath your rivalries like a religion. That makes it fun to watch…. But you do get that the people that own your teams are FRIENDS right? That may annoy you … but doesn’t change it.
First thing Boehly did after buying the Dodgers was start building good relationships with theYankees and Red Sox, the two biggest brands (there’s that word again) in baseball. That’s …. How American owners work.
I honestly didn’t think this would require explaining to people. No wonder you have no conception as to how to rid of the Glazers.
Mendes met Murtoguh, doesn't mean I have to build a story on how Mendes is planning to marry his daughter to Murtough's son and are planning to send their kids to love island to initiate the love process.
Boehly arranged some sort of dinner for all owners, doesn't mean he is some transfer guru who shared some insights on how to buy players or how to handle finances.
There is not coincidence. We are trying to sign Antony from long time, we were waiting on de Jong deal. It was clear that he won't sign for us, so we spent the money on other players. On top of that, poor results in first 2 games left them with no choice but loose the strings. You don't have to come up with GoT like twisted story to paint Boehly as some Lannister mastermind.
Do you think the Glazers want overly clever people looking at their books everyday? Joke. But in truth … no. The Glazers are famous for NOT hiring good financial people. They are known as some of the worst cap manipulators in the nfl.
I did say “it may be coincidence” in the original piece that stated this. It was meant to be a curious aside to the main point. Those things ALL could have been factors. BUT I pay very close attention to your transfer patterns, even when “Glazers Out” movements are on. Their pattern would have been to sign the “distraction” piece Casemiro, hope you were happy and distracted, then move on. Instead they are willing to go for him plus 200 or so more potentially if everything fell right?
Difference being Chelsea have taken that approach from the beginning of the window. Now you could have simply figured out how we were able to approach so aggressively and realized you could do the same “front loading”
That is totally possible. It is also very like Boehly to try to “kiss up” to the big brand on the block. As I noted in another post, the first thing he did after buying the Dodgers was reach out to the Yankees and Red Sox. He mentions something about “brand development” every 5 sentences (hyperbole). You guys may not like it, but that is how they view your teams. In Boehly-speak, United is a chief brand asset of the Premiere League ….which you are. I simply found the timing interesting, that’s all.
I honestly thought the mechanics of the FFP thing was much more interesting . I should have known better than to throw that aside in there.
I think what @Bluelion7 says is quite interesting and does make sense
You should have at least known that ManUtd is one of the last club to worry about FFP as the wages and spending is always well within the limits. Just because some clubs struggle with FFP and comes up with different approach doesn't mean every club has FFP issues.
Did they not print that in Athletic?
Im an Arsenal fan mate, I don't have any concept on how to get rid of the Glazers because I'd like them to stay for years and years.
Ive read a few articles, I've seen little specific on who actually attended the meeting. Executives of football clubs doesn't necessarily mean owners, so were the Glazers actually there? Or the Kroenkes? Or John Henry?
I mean, you talk about how American owners operate, but there's 3 examples of American Owners who have been involved for a number of years and I don't see the rivalry decreasing. I'm not sure if Boehly is just the glue that was missing to get everyone friends and on the same page, maybe he is?
I was having a bit of a go, but it's more to do with your hyperbole than anything else. You weren't the only one to come in and tell us that Chelsea would spend for instance, I could see it a mile off, and many on here did as well, it's just that your on a rival forum so a lot of posters like to throw a cat amongst the pigeons.
Most of this is waffle, alot of players on the list the club didn't want to sell and some our managers fault.
Not the clubs fault Mourinho didn't pick De Bruyne for example. Managers deserve more of the criticism for this than the club.
Well to be fair under the Abramovich regime the managers weren't generally given a lot of time to make things happen with the young lads so the club has to take a bit of the blame as well.
Losing the likes of KDB, Salah was definitely 100% on Mourinho and Lampard has to take the blame for Tomori after falling out with the player. Lukaku leaving the first time is on Jose as well, he could easily just not have brought in Samuel Eto'o in 2013 and kept Lukaku around but he chose not to. Though it has to be noted that in 2014 when Lukaku got his permanent move away the club bought Diego Costa for the same amount of money and got two league titles to show for it so in the end I'd say it worked out pretty well for us. Lukaku being bought back 7 years later for £100M and ending up as a huge flop is another matter entirely and not really linked to his first move away from the club.
With many players on the list, however, I'd argue it's just been a case of bad timing. Livramento and Lamptey came up around the same time as Reece James so they saw their options were always going to be limited had they stayed. In hindsight James has been injured quite a bit so either of those would have gotten a good amount of games if they were still around but there was really no way to know that beforehand so the players were right to grab their moves for a bigger role elsewhere.
As for Jeremie Boga he left when we had Hazard, Pedro, Willian as part of a front line that was still very much delivering the goods so I can't blame either the club nor the manager (Conte) for moving him on with the pathway completely blocked. Nathan Ake was sold after Conte won the title with then one of the best back lines in the league and adding Rüdiger and Christensen to it for the 17/18 season so there just wasn't any place for him. Nobody can convince me selling Ake for £20M and buying Rüdiger for £28M in the same transfer window was a bad move.
Guehi I'd definitely have wanted to keep around last year because he was better than Chalobah (still is) but Tuchel didn't fancy him enough to promise a starting role. Again in hindsight if we'd known Rüdiger and Christensen would be gone a year later I'm sure a different choice would've been made with Guehi in 2021 but at the time it still very much looked like at least one or maybe even both would sign new deals and we wouldn't have been in this mess of a CB hunt a year later to begin with.
Bit of a stretch. I have the below reasons not to believe you.
1. United has always been clueless in the market.
2. Our budget was always 200m including sales for this summer.
3. We always spend more when we are not on CL.
4. We always feck up chasing unrealistic targets and end up overpaying for others.
5. The protests planned scared them a lot.
Now read again and you will see how much of a story you have created.
The thing is I highly doubt Guehi was demanding a starting spot. I mean, why would he? He was fresh off a championship loan and we had Rudiger, AC and Silva in the team fresh off winning the CL. I think what's more likely is that he wanted to be given assurance of a pathway, of an opportunity, to show he's worthy of a starting spot - meaning not being given leftover minutes and third round league cup starts where the entire team is rotated and he's playing with the B team, Kenedy, Saul, Sarr etc. He was receiving good offers from good PL clubs. He had no reason to stay if Tuchel couldn't give him the assurances he needed. In fairness to Tuchel, he had only been in the job 6 months and I bet he didn't know much about Guehi and wanted to use the preseason to assess him, while Guehi had a decision to make because he was in high demand with several PL clubs chasing him.
We, as fans, obviously knew him inside out as we've followed his career from the youth teams but I can understand if Tuchel was like 'I need to see what you've got in preseason' and Guehi was like 'sorry, I have standing offers from PL clubs and I can't risk turning them down based on vague assurances' . And as you say, no-one could have predicted the Ukraine invasion, sanctions, change of ownership etc all happening within 12 months and us being prohibited from offering Rudiger and AC competitive contracts and then losing both for free.
That said I have a feeling we'll be buying some of these players back. I'm almost certain we'll be getting Tammy back at some point, even though I still think he's a level below what we need. I also think we'll eventually buy Tomori or Guehi back. Not based on anything except a gut feeling.
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Yes, but I was specific as to WHY they would be spending and how they would be doing it (down the handling of the debt, the rules for FFP regarding the estimated revenue numbers used in such situations, the leeway allowed on that number due to the rule they added for Covid) I put the number at above 350 in May, and I got the same laughing emojis thrown at me. I’m still not sure the people reading it on here understand the technical implications frankly. For various reasons the 90, 80, 70 model with each year being isolated will probably not work. The lack of surety makes this window even more essential.
I don’t particularly care what they throw at me … it’s the internet. I was closing on something last night while typing away on my phone. It’s just fun. It’s more fun when they are clever about it like Religion, but you take what you can get.
Not all owners are active. Some are even large groups represented by executives. As I understand it though, at that meeting most of the Americans were there in person with exception of the Kroenkes. That honestly was just an aside though, like a “what if…?” And I said as much at the time with tongue in cheek. The rest of it wasn’t Hyperbole. I was quoting actual recent articles.
For Boehly: Its not about being “glue”. I saw someone imply I was comparing him to a Lannister? Which is interesting, because he is more of a “Hand” than a “King”.
You guys may not believe one group can raise the revenue profile of an entire league. But they have been very vocal that is Clearlake’s goal. I didn’t say that, they did. And to be fair, Boehly serves that function to a degree among some of the same people already in different sports. He isn’t a primary owner in any of his teams. He is the one out front and building those relationships, creating financial strategies, because that is his job, and why he is even included in the owner groups to begin with.
You can say the rivalries are still there … but ALL the American big 6 owners supported the Super League. I’m more warning people on that front than anything else. It was the Russian everyone hates that caused the dominoes to crumble. People can say it would have collapsed anyway? But there’s no guarantee that is true. And now Chelsea is owned by a group that would absolutely have seen the Super League as an excellent option.
The FAN rivalries exist. But the owners? The Fenway group was openly offering guidance to Boehly and Clearlake very early on, which is how they got initial meetings with Micheal Edwards. Todd Boehly and John Henry are pretty close. They don’t see these teams the same way you do if you are an English fan. If you are an English fan you probably already know this.
For the record: I love the way European football works, and I don’t want an American sports model to win out.
Funny this all started out as an amusement towards a PHD FFP expert from Sheffield “revealing” how Chelsea could spend so much without violating FFP. People have still been complaining about the issue, so I thought I would take the time to explain it again in detail. Didn’t think it would cause this much ruckus.
C’est la vie.
Our best attacker is out ill tonight so I'm not confident about getting the 3 points now.
Do you not understand what “speculation” means? I literally said that. All the stuff regarding attempts to create stronger ties with United’s owners, comparisons to the NFL and future attempts to “augment” the PL’s business models, all true, and all sourced from actual statements.
The part about affecting United’s window ? All speculation for fun because I found the timing of events interesting… but I said that … at the time I wrote it.
And for what it’s worth, my “speculation” was based on the idea that you could potentially go well above the 200 m. I.e. if you pulled a late miracle for FDJ, we’re really in for Ohsimen, etc. I was pretty specific on that as well.
So you are telling me my story is probably not true after I wrote that it could be purely fun coincidence?
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I thought you sold Werner?
Chill down dude. You come up with a fantasy story and I argued against it by bringing some valid facts. Now you say, oh it was just a speculation anyway and I should take it like that ?
Seriously mate?
This sounds great in theory, but without a sitting DM, teams would steamroll us through the middle. Jorginho cannot be the sole DM of any serious team. Ampadu would have been a good player to give a chance to in that role.
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He's a very odd poster. He came up with a very strange story in his head (I mean, a really, really weird one), and seems offended you have used common sense on him.
Your post is waffle, in all fairness. The club, board, manager, football director, recruitment/scouting team, academy managers and whatever other job titles are all involved in the decision making with transfers. You can not just separate certain decisions and say "not the club's decision". The manager is part of the fecking club. And that's why you have a director of football and an army of people in desk jobs contributing to these decisions.
Honestly, to be so bloody ignorant, arrogant and frankly fecking rude to call someone's post waffle, when your own post is a steaming turd of irrelevance is bloody incredible. If you'd bothered to read on a few posts you would see that a detailed and civil discussion exploring the subject carried on between myself and a few other posters, who all managed to conduct themselves like reasonable human beings. Well done for lowering the tone, big man.
Advanced talks for Gvardiol now, to join next summer. fecking hell. 90m euros
Buying a CB for 90m only to loan him back. Wild stuff.
You have to be very convinced the player is a special talent and a comparable alternative won't be available on the market next summer. And also hope he doesn't do his ACL or break his leg or something.
Boehly is definitely willing to take risks and run the team his own way, you have to give him credit for that.
You have to be very convinced the player is a special talent and a comparable alternative won't be available on the market next summer. And also hope he doesn't do his ACL or break his leg or something.
Boehly is definitely willing to take risks and run the team his own way, you have to give him credit for that.
Boehly means business.
Got to say I did not see that one coming. No way they're going to reject 90M€ and still keeping the player for another year? Insane price and a very risky deal, unless there are some contingencies in case of a bad injury.
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Should be a class Silva replacement for next year if the deal goes through.
Not sure they are actually even caring about money at this point!
You don’t loan a 90m player. Must be more to this than what is seen on the surface. Claus that voids the deal if he’s injured perhaps?
It's a smart move. And I don't think we're done for this window yet, either. I still think Auba and Zaha or Gordon come....Boehly means business.
Got to say I did not see that one coming. No way they're going to reject 90M€ and still keeping the player for another year? Insane price and a very risky deal, unless there are some contingencies in case of a bad injury.
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Should be a class Silva replacement for next year if the deal goes through.
and that Romero waffler claiming a £15m a yr contract offered to fDJ
My first thought was for that fee they'll work something out and just get him in now. It is a lot to sign, loan back, and then he snaps ligaments
Ziyech is starting tonight. Plane to Amsterdam straight after the match perhaps?
Hate Chelsea twats.
Is this in addition to Fofana?
Yes. This is us planning for life after Thiago Silva.
Sounds exciting for you guys!
What ? 90m and loan back ? Tell me, no one at Chelsea is that stupid.
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