Is football cancelled for the next week? | Man United-Leeds & Chelsea-Liverpool postponed

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Even if they cancel the league fixtures (which would be pathetic)

Why do they need to cancel the European ones too? Gives English teams a huge disadvantage
I suspect UEFA matches will go ahead. They will fall midweek several days after the Queen's passing and before the state funeral. UEFA as well will not feel any of the same inclination "to be seen to be showing their respect", unlike the Premier League and other domestic organisations. The games this weekend will be in doubt because of the desire "to be seen to be showing their respect" and not wanting to get backlash from the usual places for not doing the right thing. The game next weekend will be in doubt because of policing implications in the build up to the state funeral.
 

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I get that; I'm saying that if the primary concern was policing, there would have been absolutely no need to cancel PL2 fixtures and yet they were cancelled anyway.

Also, the UK has, according to a quick Google search, 160,000 police officers; an average of 60 is needed for a Premier League game. So I find the whole "police presence" argument a little unconvincing, except for the actual day of the funeral.
How many of those are based in London?
 

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And I you analyse that factua, historical signings came youll see why a large portion of this forum don’t give a feck about them (at best)
Most people mouthing off about them just come across as bitter and frankly jealous.

Just look at the global coverage and outpouring of emotion, then tell me it doesn't matter. Disclaimer - your mates on Facebook don't count.

Just like you support the monarchy and queen who don’t actually care about you as an individual despite you fooling yourself they do.
But I don't think that.
 

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I get that; I'm saying that if the primary concern was policing, there would have been absolutely no need to cancel PL2 fixtures and yet they were cancelled anyway.

Also, the UK has, according to a quick Google search, 160,000 police officers; an average of 60 is needed for a Premier League game. So I find the whole "police presence" argument a little unconvincing, except for the actual day of the funeral.
It's the only reasonable explanation I can think of aside from calling them off for 'mourning'. If it is for 'mourning' it's silly, I agree.
 

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:lol: aye to you maybe. It's like the idiot on the news who said the energy crisis is now insignificant because of the queens death. It's actually offensive how people are instructing others to feel and act over this.
What an absolute spanner. Yeah, I don’t care having to pay all my wage on staying warm now because the Queen is dead. Nothing else matters.
 

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Nothing idiots enjoy more than getting mad about things which haven't actually happened.
It's not about getting mad that football is gonna get cancelled for the weekend but because the reasoning is utter pathetic.
 

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I get that; I'm saying that if the primary concern was policing, there would have been absolutely no need to cancel PL2 fixtures and yet they were cancelled anyway.

Also, the UK has, according to a quick Google search, 160,000 police officers; an average of 60 is needed for a Premier League game. So I find the whole "police presence" argument a little unconvincing, except for the actual day of the funeral.
That’s a far too simplistic way of looking at it really.
 

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I mean, today's PL2 games have been cancelled even though those can be quite effectively policed by a single semi-retired security guard. I don't think logic has much to do with that decision...
Confirmed as a mark of respect, whatever people may think of that.

The fixtures beyond that are being debated between the PL and government right now. They may go ahead and they may not. 'Respect' will be a part of the conversation but also logistics as there will be hundreds of thousands of people on the street of London over the next few days with 4/10 Premier League scheduled to take place there this weekend. Lets say that games in London are behind closed doors because of police allocation, is it then fair for other sides to play with crowds where the police can handle it? It's not the simple decision that a lot of people seem to think it is, nor is it just about mourning the Queen.
 

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How many of those are based in London?
Around 33k, apparently. Surely they can spare about a 100 of them for Fulham v Chelsea (and you probably don't need that much for that tiny stadium), which is the only Premier League game taking place in London on Saturday.
 

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Confirmed as a mark of respect, whatever people may think of that.

The fixtures beyond that are being debated between the PL and government right now. They may go ahead and they may not. 'Respect' will be a part of the conversation but also logistics as there will be hundreds of thousands of people on the street of London over the next few days with 4/10 Premier League scheduled to take place there this weekend. Lets say that games in London are behind closed doors because of police allocation, is it then fair for other sides to play with crowds where the police can handle it? It's not the simple decision that a lot of people seem to think it is, nor is it just about mourning the Queen.
All the Sunday games in the PL are in London, would be surprised if they go ahead.
 

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Most people mouthing off about them just come across as bitter and frankly jealous.

Just look at the global coverage and outpouring of emotion, then tell me it doesn't matter. Disclaimer - your mates on Facebook don't count.



But I don't think that.
It's nothing to do with jealousy, some of us believe the idea of a colonial relic and monarch being born into a position of privilege for whom our taxes maintain their extravagant lifestyle in a democracy in 2022 is a bit feckin odd, thats all.

If people want to profusely mourn their passing then that's their perogative, but don't expect everyone to give a feck, not when the rest of us have to contend with real problems like looking after our families during a a cost of living crisis. At least the football gives us a welcome distraction and escape.
 

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Around 33k, apparently. Surely they can spare about a 100 of them for Fulham v Chelsea (and you probably don't need that much for that tiny stadium), which is the only Premier League game taking place in London on Saturday.
How many of them are front line officers with no restrictions and public order trained? What category are all the fixtures (risk level)? What number are needed to staff daily functions?
 

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That’s a far too simplistic way of looking at it really.
I suppose it is. But London, for example, quite often hosts huge events that require significant police presence while football matches are being played at the same time. It's not unprecedented.

Of course I might be underestimating how many people will want to spontaneously gather in the streets to mourn and stuff. As a non-Brit, living in a republic where the head of state changes at least every ten years - and has changed very recently -, it's hard to imagine millions of people wanting to do that but who knows.
 

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Of course I might be underestimating how many people will want to spontaneously gather in the streets to mourn and stuff. As a non-Brit, living in a republic where the head of state changes at least every ten years - and has changed very recently -, it's hard to imagine millions of people wanting to do that but who knows.
London was hellish during the Jubilee weekend. Now she's actually dead I imagine the same level of craziness will take over, if not worse.
 

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Confirmed as a mark of respect, whatever people may think of that.

The fixtures beyond that are being debated between the PL and government right now. They may go ahead and they may not. 'Respect' will be a part of the conversation but also logistics as there will be hundreds of thousands of people on the street of London over the next few days with 4/10 Premier League scheduled to take place there this weekend. Lets say that games in London are behind closed doors because of police allocation, is it then fair for other sides to play with crowds where the police can handle it? It's not the simple decision that a lot of people seem to think it is, nor is it just about mourning the Queen.
Is that definite? What’s being organised?
 

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It's nothing to do with jealousy, some of us believe the idea of a colonial relic and monarch being born into a position of privilege for whom our taxes maintain their extravagant lifestyle in a democracy in 2022 is a bit feckin odd, thats all.

If people want to profusely mourn their passing then that's their perogative, but don't expect everyone to give a feck, not when the rest of us have to contend with real problems like looking after our families during a a cost of living crisis. At least the football gives us a welcome distraction and escape.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
 

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If people want to profusely mourn their passing then that's their perogative, but don't expect everyone to give a feck, not when the rest of us have to contend with real problems like looking after our families during a a cost of living crisis. At least the football gives us a welcome distraction and escape.
I don’t disagree with that however it’s about balance really isn’t it and accepting the difference of views respectfully.
 

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Tomorrow the new king will be formally announced at St James Palace. If I was the police I'd be expecting a lot of people to be out and about over the weekend.
Yeah they’ll be too much going on for the football to go ahead I imagine. You could see how many people spontaneously gathered yesterday at the palace.

This risk would be too high.
 

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It’s like one thing after another… doesn’t help that we have a Thursday-Sunday schedule most weeks, the world cups on. Literally no time to re schedule the games that are going to be called of.
Not prior to Christmas but post the new year should be fine particularly as by the clubs will e out of the EFL cup, out of Europe and pretty soon out of the FA Cup
 

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Tomorrow the new king will be formally announced at St James Palace. If I was the police I'd be expecting a lot of people to be out and about over the weekend.
But there have been plenty of other times when very large numbers of people have taken to the streets in London. And this has never required all sporting events to be cancelled.

Why is everyone tip-toeing around the real issue here? The reason sports (not just football) are likely to be cancelled this weekend is about a show of respect. It’s not because of a lack of police. I mean, they made golfers walk off the course at Wentworth yesterday. That obviously wasn’t a policing issue.
 

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What makes people think the football etc will be cancelled for policing reasons? This has been rumoured since before she actually died. There was even a tweet earlier that seemed to suggest that things were being cancelled simply for mourning the queen. I would guess that the football will be cancelled and it will simply be somebodies idea of trying to make the world and our lives stop to pay respects the queen.
 

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Talk of Dublin hosting Champions League games next week that were due to be played in the UK.
 

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Would be a bit much to cancel this weekend and then the whole of next. At worst let this weekend continue then cancel next weekend around the funeral but really I think we should let this weekend continue and set aside one day for the funeral next weekend, probably Sunday and move the games to Saturday or perhaps have the funeral on Saturday and life continues as normal on Sunday and Europa teams get the time needed from the last game.
 

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I don’t disagree with that however it’s about balance really isn’t it and accepting the difference of views respectfully.
I respect people's right to mourn, just as I'd expect others to respect my apathy and indifference to her passing.
 

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What makes people think the football etc will be cancelled for policing reasons? This has been rumoured since before she actually died. There was even a tweet earlier that seemed to suggest that things were being cancelled simply for mourning the queen. I would guess that the football will be cancelled and it will simply be somebodies idea of trying to make the world and our lives stop to pay respects the queen.
Oh I think it will be out of respect yes but logistically it would be very difficult to manage given the timing.
 

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Even if they cancel the league fixtures (which would be pathetic)

Why do they need to cancel the European ones too? Gives English teams a huge disadvantage
My expectation is that European games in the United Kingdom will go ahead and it will only be the weekend games effected (both this week and next), however it isn’t unthinkable that European games in the UK are called off. I don’t see European games outside of the UK (see: us in Moldova) being called off.
Yeah they’ll be too much going on for the football to go ahead I imagine. You could see how many people spontaneously gathered yesterday at the palace.

This risk would be too high.
It’s far too sensible to be spouting this. You must be OUTRAGED that a game off football might be called off right now.
 

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What makes people think the football etc will be cancelled for policing reasons? This has been rumoured since before she actually died. There was even a tweet earlier that seemed to suggest that things were being cancelled simply for mourning the queen. I would guess that the football will be cancelled and it will simply be somebodies idea of trying to make the world and our lives stop to pay respects the queen.
100% this.

The police stuff is a complete red herring.
 

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Would be a bit much to cancel this weekend and then the whole of next. At worst let this weekend continue then cancel next weekend around the funeral but really I think we should let this weekend continue and set aside one day for the funeral next weekend, probably Sunday and move the games to Saturday or perhaps have the funeral on Saturday and life continues as normal on Sunday and Europa teams get the time needed from the last game.
do you really think they’re going to plan a monarchs funeral around Newcastle vs Bournemouth.