Ah so. Cheers.
So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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Yeah that knighthood meant he couldn't be touched but I thought his management of the final was scandalous. The cup was there for the taking.
Even relegation possible now. Wow
Who is that?
That would be breaking tradition, now, wouldn't it? When did England last have a proper Manager? In my lifetime I can only say that Sven-Göran Eriksson was a proper manager. And if memory serves me well current moron Southgate (then a player) infamously criticized Eriksson, saying "we needed Winston Churchill but we got Iain Duncan Smith", because Eriksson looked calm on the touchline as England were losing to Brazil.
Sigh
What a stupid post. English football is a powerhouse but how many of the top coaches in the PL are English? Post makes absolutely no sense.
The FA have just managed to charge Ronaldo for the phone 'scandal' yesterday 5 months after the event, so a Monday 20 weeks from now sure.
Ole would be a better fit actually. The transition of tactics will be seamless.
Yeah they aren't exactly quick sorting things
England have a great group of players. But as of now Brazil and France are the best and favorites to win, and England are in the next tier with Spain, Germany, Argentina, Belgium, Holland, Portugal
Thats 9 teams and England are not distinguee from the pack. It's a crowded field and only one can win it.
My point is a 'golden generation' is a bit of an overdone term. How many current England footballers would get in the Brazil side that won in 2002, or Spain team that won in 2010?
Seriously
England really brings out the englishness, brexitness, rule britannia shite in the english
Then they lose because they're never as good as they think and go nuts
There would be a beautiful irony about a German winning the World Cup for England. It’d definitely confuse the meatheads
This is such unnecessary crap, tbh.Seriously
England really brings out the englishness, brexitness, rule britannia shite in the english
Then they lose because they're never as good as they think and go nuts
Such a negative manager, we've got a generation of some of the best attacking talent in decades and three quarters of his team are defensive minded.
Let's not forget the loss to and aged Italy at Wembley in the final where he refused to go for the game even when they'd decided to sit back and play for pens.
Then the loss to Croatia in a semi final of a world Cup, a totally beatable team.
Let's have it right we've got a diamond of a group at this world Cup, he should let the reigns off and go and destroy the group, build up momentum and get this group buzzing. I think we might draw a few we expect to win.
Let's not forget the loss to and aged Italy at Wembley in the final where he refused to go for the game even when they'd decided to sit back and play for pens.
Then the loss to Croatia in a semi final of a world Cup, a totally beatable team.
Let's have it right we've got a diamond of a group at this world Cup, he should let the reigns off and go and destroy the group, build up momentum and get this group buzzing. I think we might draw a few we expect to win.
Right, so anyone who doesn’t rate Southgate as a coach is a St. George’s flag adorned, Brexit voting gammon with 19th century appropriate views of Englands global standing. 10/10 for logic there. Can see why you’re laughing, if I were that dumb I’d laugh as well.Seriously
England really brings out the englishness, brexitness, rule britannia shite in the english
Then they lose because they're never as good as they think and go nuts
Meanwhile, back in reality, vast majority of fans don’t expect England to go into any tournament and win it, they just want a coach that is better than Southgate . Not rocket science mate.
Beating the Germans in the final…
Laughing smilies really don't stand in for actually putting some thought into posting, just FYI.Seriously
England really brings out the englishness, brexitness, rule britannia shite in the english
Then they lose because they're never as good as they think and go nuts
That was obviously tongue-in-cheek, calm down
The fact of the matter is for however much you might dislike Southgate, under him England have made a WC semfinal - for the first time in 30 years - and then a Euro final
Calling for his head a month before the world cup, over results in the fecking Nations League, is insane. When it actually mattered, England have been good under Southgate. Just wait for the fecking world cup. His stuff so far has worked
But it hasn't, has it, as we haven't won anything. He absolutely bottled England's best chance of a trophy in that final against Italy. He's a bang average coach that's purely in post because he's a media friendly yes man. Most were unpleasantly surprised at his appointment and he's done nothing to prove them wrong imo.That was obviously tongue-in-cheek, calm down
The fact of the matter is for however much you might dislike Southgate, under him England have made a WC semfinal - for the first time in 30 years - and then a Euro final
Calling for his head a month before the world cup, over results in the fecking Nations League, is insane. When it actually mattered, England have been good under Southgate. Just wait for the fecking world cup. His stuff so far has worked
Ok, who do you replace literally the most successfull manager you've had since Alf Ramsey with?
Stop kidding yourself.
How many of the top PL players are English?
English football is gone. England is the base of the PL which is a powerhouse league staffed at the elite levels by foreigners to England. The football we watch every week isn't the 442 hard man stuff we grew up on. Not the PL anyway.
That aside I do feel that the current crop of England players are generally good and could win a tournament if managed properly.
Someone with actual experience at being a success in football management.
I'm thinking I misunderstood there, actually. I was saying that it's stupid to claim that English football is not a powerhouse (ie the PL) purely because a non English coach is in post at the national team. I now realise the poster was probably talking about the England national team when referring to English football. Apologies if so, @GoonerInPeace
That standard in international football is not that of 2002 or 2010. Compared to current football its a golden generation
This post was odd. English football is gone, yet England could win a tournament. What point are you trying to make? I don't know how old you are or what you're experience is of youth football in England, but the "4-4-2 hard man stuff" you grew up on isn't the template for underage football nowadays and hasn't been for a while.
Also, lots of the top players in the PL are English. Reece James, Trent, Rice, Sterling, Kane, Saka, Foden are all at the top. Then you have players like Trippier, Walker, Mount, Sancho, Toney, Bowen who are all key players for their respective sides and either already play for or could be playing for the best teams in the country.
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The World Cup 2108 semi final run has elevated Southgate to a position he shouldn't have really been in. He needed a last minute winner to beat Tunisia in the groups, beat Panama and then were outclassed by Belgium.
Next up scraping past Colombia on pens who were missing James (who at the time made them tick) and then Sweden who were very poor before being beaten by Croatia and Belgium again.
The Euro 2020 final again showed how tactically out his depth he is, Italy were done and he sat back and didn't release his pacy players off the bench.
Mentioning him in the same breath as Ramsey isn't right, how many top 6 clubs would appoint him manager? None.
His defensive tactics he will revert to in Qatar will no doubt take them to a QF probably, but England won't win anything whilst he is in charge, in a period where the standard of international football is at an all time low.
I think it's more like:
Brazil France Argentina
then Spain Belgium Holland Portugal Croatia
then England Germany
If England play any of those teams in the tier above us we'll lose, it's that simple.
In the World Cup we lost against the first 'world class' team we played (Belgium) then lost against the other world class team we played. In the Euros it was the same. The last 2 international tournaments we were insanely lucky when it came to the draw, if we draw any of those teams in the Ro16 (Barring Germany who I think we have a chance against) we'll be coming home.
Also good to note that this is probably the worst Germany team in the last 20 years.
Do you actually watch the games or just look at the results? If you do indeed watch them and are still impressed by Southgate then
.Southgate is now guilty of doing the complete opposite of what he was initially praised for when he took over and freshened up the squad but he has now fallen into the same trap all England managers have done for some time now of getting stuck in their ways of choosing the same old bunch of players despite poor performances and results and being too Conservative to freshen it up.
It is amazing that southgate is basically hamstrung the potential of the England team just to protect bloody Harry Maguire and speaks volumes as to how inept Harry is that southgate has to go 3 at the back to cover up for Maguire big deficiencies that are heavily exposed when in a back 4.
It is amazing that southgate is basically hamstrung the potential of the England team just to protect bloody Harry Maguire and speaks volumes as to how inept Harry is that southgate has to go 3 at the back to cover up for Maguire big deficiencies that are heavily exposed when in a back 4.
I can see conte falling out with spurs and Southgate going there and being awful
Will be hilarious and we might even get to sell maguire
Will be hilarious and we might even get to sell maguire
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We will not reach the semi-finals playing 5 at the back. It was noticeable how we improved when we went 4 at the back (even with Harry - who wasn't as bad as Walker . We have good attacking players but surely they are hamstrung by Southgate's tactics. Losing so why not throw Toney ( unbelievably not in the squad) with Kane, Sterling and Foden on the wings or Sancho ( unbelievably not in the squad) and Grealish and attack. I'd rather lose 2-0 attacking than this supine 1-0 loss. Bellingham was easily England's best player and will get better. Grealish gets fouled all the time so having two target men must be the way forward if you bring him on.
The cycle is over and he needs to go before the World Cup.
What will actually happen is we’ll have a poor WC and he’ll go after that. What a waste of a tournament.
What will actually happen is we’ll have a poor WC and he’ll go after that. What a waste of a tournament.
Soooo.........who is that "someone else" you are thinking would "allow us to play decent Football again"???
Much worse squads than England's have won international tournaments. The difference is that England have a second rate manager that accomplished absolutely nothing in management prior to getting the gig.
As much as I want Southgate replaced, I don't think now is the time to do it. We're a month away and the fallout would be nuclear.
Brendan Rodgers? Pochettino? Tuchel if he could be persuaded? My grandma? Literally fecking anyone.
Errrr......Sarina says hello...European Championship winning manager....
Would any of them really accept the job, if it meant missing out on a club job??
Also Rodgers, have you seen Leicester??
Are we still talking about Southgate or Phil Neville??
Exactly. I'd go for Tuchel tbh.
And why would he accept it??
Why is there this presumption that it is that simple??
As if there is no way he would say no....
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When England signed Capello he was considered at par to SAF. I agree that he was not suited for the job but top managers would come if paid well and England does pay well
I would also keep an eye to Ancelotti, Conte and Mancini, all of whom are 10 times the players Southgate was and 100 times the manager Southgate is.
Please please can we get rid before the World Cup 