Think people are still missing the point. We have some poor players. Poorer than Bruno. Again, it isn’t the point. I’m not sure why people struggle to grasp it solely when it comes to Bruno. It seems so much easier to understand with players like Pogba, De Gea, Ronaldo, Lukaku - other players who are top players too but have deficiencies that impact the flow of the team.
Not sure what this is all about. Pogba, who missed 81 games in 5 seasons and voted by caf as someone with whom we can't win the league, Herrera, who wanted to leave and again voted by caf as someone who is not good enough to win the league with and old Matic.
No manager in the world would pick Lingard over Bruno.
Exactly what I was going to say, with or without him, we will not win the league any time soon.
Don't quote me but I think the point is to focus on the with. The existence of other factors holding us back are beyond contention.
I think you are missing the point. If we have a team full of absolute best players who you could win a league with, then it makes sense to have a thread about Bruno, because he will be the only player we need to upgrade. Else there is nothing that important that cannot be discussed in the Bruno performance thread. We have players like Ronaldo, Rashford, Martial, Sancho, Fred, McT, AWB, Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, De Gea who are not good enough to win the league with, if we take them individually.
Ok maybe the title should be changed to 'we will never win the league with Bruno in the starting 11'
It’s just the straw man some have chosen to attach themselves to. Like, all anyone would have to do is actually read the rationale put forward in the first post to understand the sentiment. But this is how conversation goes on the caf. You can go into a Scott McTominay performance thread and see people responding to criticism of a Scott McTominay performance with ‘I mean he was poor but anyone blaming him alone for x result is this or that’. I mean, it may strangely seem like there is a lot of Scott criticism in the Scott thread, but there are other threads too! To avoid the point of the discussion, people simply make a different one and argue that.
So if he was in the starting 11 City wouldn't win the league this year?
It's because we're still very early into ETH's tenure and the transition, if it's going to happen, has only just begun. Most people don't look beyond stats. Some of them don't even go that far and trust the eye test, instead. Bruno offers end-product, and you certainly can't blame him for a lack of effort on the pitch. He is a popular figure, and for good reasons.
Presumably because a lot of our fanbase still sees Bruno as part of the solution, rather than a player who actively needs to be phased out to allow a title-challenging side to be built.
There's an unfortunate loop here in that even a team that tries to dominate possession only needs one player to lose the ball. His high error style would make it harder to sustain possession anywhere.
I doubt I have missed my own point in making the thread.
Let's say he took one of the 2 midfield spots in front of the pivot (KDB or Bernardo) it would massively change how they play and would be a huge downgrade, whether they'll win the league or not we'll never know but we do know he wouldn't get into that starting 11 and there's a reason he wouldn't.
My point is the whole team will need to be phased out, we're years away from even thinking of competing for a title so why focus on Bruno specifically? Although his productivity has dropped and that's highlighted his failings even more he still produces more than other players in this team, he's not an issue for a team at best trying to compete for top 4.
You could use this logic to shut down the entire player performance forum. Team performances are a collective of several individual performance units, they can be discussed individually or collectively. It's only singling out if other player threads don't exist.
I disagree with that. United under the right management should be able to seriously compete for the title and trophies in the space of a few seasons. We are incredibly well resourced, despite being hamstrung by dividends. If ETH doesn't have us moving in the right direction, securing Champions League football, competing for trophies and then challenging for the league title, he will be moved on after two or three seasons: the same way Ole was, the same way Mourinho was, the same way LVG was.
Then why not use the thread specifically there for Bruno? It just seems like a weird thread to say we won't the league with him in the team when you could say the same about every player in the team.
Cant remember..
I seem to remember him missing a few games and us playing well. Maybe I dreamt about it,.I can agree with this much. Winning the title requires an elite unit, system and cohesion beyond what can be achieved with Bruno playing in the centre of it. Anything else, people can feel free to twist as they please - that’s basically the point right there.
This bit I can definitely agree with, that part is fair that relying so much on one player especially one who isn't quite top quality puts a limit on the team. Maybe I was too sensitive about the point of this thread in that case because right now I don't see anyone in the United team who would get in the City side.
Most won't get this reference here but I definitely see it
It can be done anywhere. Have you seen that Dalot thread? He was the only first teamer with a thread on the front page despite being one of the least consequential players to our future. Bruno by contrast is believed to be a cornerstone foundation for the rebuild project. Some believe this would be a car crash and want the club (and fans) to reconsider. Let's avoid a boom bust disaster.
That was my reaction too. Some people will, quite correctly and understandably argue, that a lot of yesterday's players were EtH signings and that's true, but we also start a lot of players that i'm just not convinced will ever be top footballers or more than squad players. The culture here just isn't one of winners sadly and it will take ten Hag a lot of time to implement it, that's if he even can.
However, I think any of those players could comfortably be a regular in any title winning side. Except Bruno. And McTominay, who I could make this same thread about if people like, although I assume everyone agrees with that.
It's not just the washed version of Westbrook though. In fact I would compare him to prime Westbrook a brilliant soloist but not much more.Most won't get this reference here but I definitely see it
Sure but this whole thread is a prediction, a guess about his impact on winning titles.
Indeed. Of course, Bruno happens to play for us.
Nope, it’s a dig from a Bruno hater by a Pogba lover, or something to that effect.
50/50, would certainly be a lot closer, would be a definite yes if Liverpool hadn't fallen of a cliff.
