That goal today was a hell of a strike I am not sure many keepers would save it
Dean Henderson | Nottingham Forest loan watch
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Against him every shot on target looks deadly
Waiting for someone to claim that the Young's shot was unsavable.
Looking at how much EtH and his coaching staff have improved DDG it's hard to imagine they couldn't make big strides with Henderson simply by getting him to do a better job in his positioning. He may be too much of a cnut for this club. But his bullshit decision making put him where he is at, and maybe he learns some deep and valuable lessons from all this.
I think it is quite funny that he purposely avoided EtH in his workouts to ensure he gets the loan he wanted. So all of that blowing up in his face and then him seeing DDG improve tremendously is a really nice combination for him. Unless he is too much cnut to learn from it. Which I think is possible.
I think it is quite funny that he purposely avoided EtH in his workouts to ensure he gets the loan he wanted. So all of that blowing up in his face and then him seeing DDG improve tremendously is a really nice combination for him. Unless he is too much cnut to learn from it. Which I think is possible.
First post today here
.He must be unluckiest gk in the world. Every game bunch of unsavable shots
Not sure how much he could be improved with coaching. Unlike De Gea, his deficiencies are in fundamental goalkeeping, rather than mentality/tendencies.
His shit positioning could be improved upon, but he simply doesn't have the reflexes or technique to be even an average shot stopper for PL level.
First post today here
He must be unluckiest gk in the world. Every game bunch of unsavable shots
An accurate use of stats this time. Much better.
Now where does that rank in the PL currently?
Even Roy Keane said there wasn't much he could do against that hit.
Without being updated to take his game today into account and adjusted per 90, he's currently 15th out of 21 in the league according to Fbref. Just ahead of a certain Mr. De Gea in 16th. Overall Fbref's model has them as having conceded 2.2 and 2.5 goals more than they "should" have respectively.
I think it's fine for for making general points like "De Gea was in better shot-stopping form in season X than season Y" or "X goalkeeper is generally a good shot-stopper". And obviously if it suits a random argument I'm making on the internet then I'll shamelessly cite it.
But in serious terms there are still a lot of flaws with the different models and we aren't as aware of those flaws as professional analysts would need to be to actually make effective use of that data. There's a reason clubs hire actual professionals and not any random idiot with access to Fbref.
That John Harrison guy gives a few examples of the models misrepresenting different chances in the video below, from about 5.05 min on, which make clear the kind of basic elements that still don't get captured in a lot of the stats we throw around.
Didn't punch the ground today
True and on the surface it seems a better balanced assessment, however I would take ANY stats, especially on GK-ing with a grain of salt, given the amount of variables around it. People act like john Harrison's word is the gospel truth but if he were so accurate he would have been snapped up by a club long ago.
I disagree with him that out of the 9 goals he's conceded from outside the box, he only underperformed by 2 of them. That alone makes me skeptical of anything John Harrison says
Do his haters think he should have saved Young’s shot?
Groundsmen hate him find out why
Anyone even bothering to factor in that Henderson is playing with what cannot exactly be described as the greatest defence in the PL? The more shots at him, the more he is likely to let in, surely. I once played in a cup game where (no joke) the opposition (four divisions above us) had something approaching 50 shots at me. We lost 7-3. We had three shots on target. tell me which keeper performed worse...
As for those here saying DDG has improved, sorry but I don't see it. For me, if, as seems very likely, the club has decided against Henderson, OK. But then we need to go out and spend money.
As for those here saying DDG has improved, sorry but I don't see it. For me, if, as seems very likely, the club has decided against Henderson, OK. But then we need to go out and spend money.
If anything having many shots to stop should improve his overall percentage. Dean is shite. And a bit of a cnut.
From a Forest point of view, he isn’t getting much help from the team in terms of stopping the long range shots happening. Our biggest issue is his distribution. He’s not great with his feat and slow to get the ball out. A lot of our counters last year were set up by Brice Samba‘s awareness and ability to kick the ball accurately 40+ yards quickly. As we are shipping goals for fun anyway I’d have Brice back tomorrow.
I'm surprised Brice wanted to leave.
Anyway, Henderson could have done better with the goal last night. He dived in slow motion.
He seems like a person who would groan very loudly when someone he doesn't know does something he doesn't like, like wearing socks and sandals, lip smacking while eating, etc.
From what I've seen, Samba was one of your most important players last season and he seems to be doing really well with Lens.
Hopefully he gets better
He’s a brilliant character but VAR would pickup too much of his shithousing In the Prem. One of the best sweeper keepers around.
No. Because i don't think that he can save any decent shot.
NFO had decent second keeper in Olsen. Only matter of time when Henderson will find himself on his best position.
Just watched Young's goal. The shot was not savable.
. That is bs. Again the fact that he was nowhere near the ball clouds people mind.Taller gk, with better positioning or anticipation saves that.
Speculation on your behalf. That was a great shot that swerved (did it get a deflection?). A difficult shot for any keeper.
He’d start banging on the ground WWF style
As much as I think henderson is shite, yeah that wasn't one i'd expect him to save.
He's unsighted and the shot had a lot of power behind it. Even if he managed to get across and get a hand to, doubt he'd tip it around.
Certainly is a worrying trend for him though. If you didn't know his reputation and he was a United player, you'd think he's a bang average championship keeper.
He's unsighted and the shot had a lot of power behind it. Even if he managed to get across and get a hand to, doubt he'd tip it around.
Certainly is a worrying trend for him though. If you didn't know his reputation and he was a United player, you'd think he's a bang average championship keeper.
There’s no point trying to point stuff out like this. People were saying that all 3 Fulham goals were errors, we’ve left rational discussion behind long ago.
He's the English Tim Krul, without the world cup career highlight.
Seems like any time a goal goes in its always his fault no matter how good the strike was. You'll have people saying "a bigger keeper saves it" or "his positioning is wrong" as if they know the first thing about goalkeeping positioning and don't just base it off the shot going in. Seems to be the most common throwaway analysis on keepers.
The problem is it's very hard to make a compelling case that he should have or shouldn't have saved a shot like that, it's not like a striker missing a sitter. I'd just say it's not a very good example of anything because Young rockets it in, it's a very good goal and that should be it really, sometimes you have to just credit the strike.
The problem is it's very hard to make a compelling case that he should have or shouldn't have saved a shot like that, it's not like a striker missing a sitter. I'd just say it's not a very good example of anything because Young rockets it in, it's a very good goal and that should be it really, sometimes you have to just credit the strike.
He shouldn't save it.
He's not a very good goalkeeper.
Just about sums it up I think.
He's not a very good goalkeeper.
Just about sums it up I think.
Don't be Krul
Funny thing is. His goalkeeping stats while playing for a bottom side in Forest are roughly similar to DDG's whilst playing for Utd who are 5th.
Anyway, was watching this the other day and Hognob reminded me of him.
Anyway, was watching this the other day and Hognob reminded me of him.
With friends in the press like this, who needs fans
A long range shot that isn't in the corner is savable in my opinion and a lot of the goals he has conceded. They haven't been in the corner nor have they been absolute rockets and nor was he unsighted.
His reactions have never been great
His reactions have never been great
With friends in the press like this, who needs fans
Tbf, this hasn't much to do with Henderson having friends in the media. This isn't journalism, it's advertising. A completely see-through, and probably paid, attempt at promoting John Harrison's data company. The piece just uses Henderson as a controversial figure at the moment. Even the conclusion seems to reflect the posts on SM or in this thread: "He should be doing better, but it's not as bad as you believe". The more i think about it, the more i come to the conclusion that his summer interview was a genius move. I struggle to remember another footballer as mediocre as him who drew so much attention to himself.