UnofficialDevil
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If he was interested in developing and learning wouldn't he instead be watching 168 matches of teams coached by someone who knew what they were doing?
If he was interested in developing and learning wouldn't he instead be watching 168 matches of teams coached by someone who knew what they were doing?
I'm with you on the destructive impact of Moyes. Yes of course he sacked after only seven months but he set in motion the calamities we suffered under his successors. He didn't have to win a trophy to be successful that season, but he did need to set the foundation for the rebuilding of the club and he utterly failed at that. He led us to the panic buy of Fellaini whom we didn't need and somehow became a fixture under Van Gaal and Mourinho, which disgraced the club. And then he ordered the buy of Mata and had no idea how to use him. And I might have my timeline off on this but was it not under Moyes that Rooney leveraged a massive new contract that we should never have agreed to? And was it not under Moyes that our identity was cut to ribbons?Imo not even close. Moyes by a long shot. He totally destroyed the confidence of a title winning team. Asking the players to show him how to win. Aspiring to be like city after we just won the title. Running rvp into the ground in training. Shocking management.
I think Fellaini gets a bad rap, yes he represents that horrible era well because of his connection to Moyes, but we've had much worse players over the past decade and always felt he left his heart on the field.I'm with you on the destructive impact of Moyes. Yes of course he sacked after only seven months but he set in motion the calamities we suffered under his successors. He didn't have to win a trophy to be successful that season, but he did need to set the foundation for the rebuilding of the club and he utterly failed at that. He led us to the panic buy of Fellaini whom we didn't need and somehow became a fixture under Van Gaal and Mourinho, which disgraced the club. And then he ordered the buy of Mata and had no idea how to use him. And I might have my timeline off on this but was it not under Moyes that Rooney leveraged a massive new contract that we should never have agreed to? And was it not under Moyes that our identity was cut to ribbons?
Who said he didn't?If he was interested in developing and learning wouldn't he instead be watching 168 matches of teams coached by someone who knew what they were doing?
Rooney on 300k/week, just when he was entering the twilight zone of his career and Fergie was totally setting things up to sell him to Chelsea.Moyes made less of a damage, few months and way less money wasted, no harmful contract extensions (i believe) and his only buy after decent use in some periods managed to sell under Ole, as a sign of return of United way in eyes of United fans, funny shit that in hindsight.
Wayne Rooney was set to leave. For some reason he gave him a 5 year contract on top dollar.Moyes made less of a damage, few months and way less money wasted, no harmful contract extensions (i believe) and his only buy after decent use in some periods managed to sell under Ole, as a sign of return of United way in eyes of United fans, funny shit that in hindsight.
Ole wasted over 2 years of development time for the players and ETH has to pick up the pieces for players who’re overpaid and stagnant.Imo not even close. Moyes by a long shot. He totally destroyed the confidence of a title winning team. Asking the players to show him how to win. Aspiring to be like city after we just won the title. Running rvp into the ground in training. Shocking management.
Rooney on 300k/week, just when he was entering the twilight zone of his career and Fergie was totally setting things up to sell him to Chelsea.
Even thou forgot about Rooney, still one Rooney extension and one Fellaini cant beat wasted years and money on transfers and contract extensions under Ole, not to mention some other decisions.Wayne Rooney was set to leave. For some reason he gave him a 5 year contract on top dollar.
Marouane Fellaini says hi. I do like Mata. Nice guy with alot of class. However 2 player that are not Manchester United type players. Mata is way to slow. He belongs in a possession type team. And for Fellaini we paid more then what we should of due to waiting for a clause in his contract to expire.
"Moyes was critiqued for his perceived defeatist attitude while at United. He had referred to their rivals Liverpool as the “favourites” ahead of their trip to Old Trafford (Liverpool manager Brendon Rogers responded "I would never say that at Liverpool – even if I was bottom of the league"), and on Man United, the defending champions, Moyes stated their city rivals Manchester City were "at the sort of level we are aspiring to"
That was Moyes in a nutshell.
No.Would you take him as a United manager in the future if he promises not to bring Ronaldo or any other past-it, old United legend anymore?
Moyes was the underdog at Everton against the big clubs and that attitude carried over at Utd. That's why he never won a game away at Everton, against any top club in over 50 games. He could not adapt to the new job.Wayne Rooney was set to leave. For some reason he gave him a 5 year contract on top dollar.
Marouane Fellaini says hi. I do like Mata. Nice guy with alot of class. However 2 player that are not Manchester United type players. Mata is way to slow. He belongs in a possession type team. And for Fellaini we paid more then what we should of due to waiting for a clause in his contract to expire.
"Moyes was critiqued for his perceived defeatist attitude while at United. He had referred to their rivals Liverpool as the “favourites” ahead of their trip to Old Trafford (Liverpool manager Brendon Rogers responded "I would never say that at Liverpool – even if I was bottom of the league"), and on Man United, the defending champions, Moyes stated their city rivals Manchester City were "at the sort of level we are aspiring to"
That was Moyes in a nutshell.
Hell noWould you take him as a United manager in the future if he promises not to bring Ronaldo or any other past-it, old United legend anymore?
He is up there (rather down there) with the very worstI wasn't a fan of Ole as manager but those calling him a terrible manager, the worst United manager ever and so on need to take a look at those currently managing or have recently managed in the Premier League.
He's definitely better than some of those, mentioning nobody in particular.
What? No of course not. Ronaldo is not the reason he was shiteWould you take him as a United manager in the future if he promises not to bring Ronaldo or any other past-it, old United legend anymore?
Then ETH will probably be terrible as well.He is up there (rather down there) with the very worst
Surely the time he should have watched is when the match is over and he can learn from it and not make the same mistake in the next match?Exactly this. The statement is a purposeful release designed to imply to anyone interested that he's watched and learned from past mistakes and is now a wiser, better coach. He's advertising to get back in the dug out.
Thanks for the memories.This isn't how it would have happened. He had a special ability to keep the wheels of going nowhere turning. He'd probably somehow draw and beat Ajax then ETH would be called another flavour of the month, no doubt in another whoop whoop thread. I never saw plot armour quite the way Ole had it. Only a more beloved legend was able to break it.
He's obviously wanting a return to the dugout and his opportunities are probably pretty slim, he really didn't fare well at the end here. Saying that, it is all media guff so who knows?Surely the time he should have watched is when the match is over and he can learn from it and not make the same mistake in the next match?
Not 3 years down the line.
He didn't fare well even at Cardiff. So he should look at a different league to get back. Not the EPL.He's obviously wanting a return to the dugout and his opportunities are probably pretty slim, he really didn't fare well at the end here. Saying that, it is all media guff so who knows?
I don;t think a different league would make any difference to his shortcomings. I just don't think he's cut out to be a successful manager at any club. He could be a good pundit.He didn't fare well even at Cardiff. So he should look at a different league to get back. Not the EPL.
Eddie Howe became a pundit and I thought he was good and eventually got a good gig with Newcastle.I don;t think a different league would make any difference to his shortcomings. I just don't think he's cut out to be a successful manager at any club. He could be a good pundit.
Fecking hell mate, Eddie Howe is levels above Ole in terms of managing / coaching / tactics.Eddie Howe became a pundit and I thought he was good and eventually got a good gig with Newcastle.
Even then I thought he was a much better coach than Ole.
I agree. Granted, I don't see that much hate for him anymore, but I always thought he gave it his all.I think Fellaini gets a bad rap, yes he represents that horrible era well because of his connection to Moyes, but we've had much worse players over the past decade and always felt he left his heart on the field.
Of course he is.Fecking hell mate, Eddie Howe is levels above Ole in terms of managing / coaching / tactics.
He won us the EL. He didn't win the motm only because he is Fellaini. Ajax couldn't get near him. Moyes brought him and then didn't know how to use him. LVG came and played him. Jose came and played him. The problem with Jose was that Fellaini was the only plan. As a plan B he is great.I agree. Granted, I don't see that much hate for him anymore, but I always thought he gave it his all.
Even though he was totally wrong for us, he was rarely the most frustrating player on the pitch for me.
Yeah, he was a symbolic albatross more than he was a physical one.I think Fellaini gets a bad rap, yes he represents that horrible era well because of his connection to Moyes, but we've had much worse players over the past decade and always felt he left his heart on the field.
I had forgotten how good he was in that final, cheers.He won us the EL. He didn't win the motm only because he is Fellaini. Ajax couldn't get near him. Moyes brought him and then didn't know how to use him. LVG came and played him. Jose came and played him. The problem with Jose was that Fellaini was the only plan. As a plan B he is great.
Moyes chanced the best team in the leauge to a middle table team. That's an achievment!Two punts by the club. One lasted barely a year while the other lasted three years.
One had no time while the other had all the time in the world to cause as much damage as he liked.
You do know what a punt means?Moyes chanced the best team in the leauge to a middle table team. That's an achievment!
Masochism max level.Also cringe worthy.Well i know the WC is bad and of poor quality, but i dont think it is THAT bad
These threads were so cringe at the time. Even more cringe to look back on now. The delusion was something else.This isn't how it would have happened. He had a special ability to keep the wheels of going nowhere turning. He'd probably somehow draw and beat Ajax then ETH would be called another flavour of the month, no doubt in another whoop whoop thread. I never saw plot armour quite the way Ole had it. Only a more beloved legend was able to break it.
168 matches - that’s 252 hours, or 10 and a half days of footage.Tweet
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Bled the club dry that's for sure but the lad has Pas-hunStill a lot of hatred towards Ole on here it seems. Bizarre. The guy bleeds United more than almost anyone else I can think of
I think a lot of it is something of a pushback to the rabid way that a lot of the pro Ole people defended what was viewed as a lot of bad stuff during Ole's tenureStill a lot of hatred towards Ole on here it seems. Bizarre. The guy bleeds United more than almost anyone else I can think of