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Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Yeah it's funny how not a single person suggested he had been let down by the board after we'd signed Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo
Mourinho actually spent more money, both in total and net spend, according to the numbers on Transfermarkt. But neither of them had any excuses.
The players liked him because he was a pushover, the players were playing for him, but they became more and more physically unfit and tactically underprepared the longer Ole remained in-charge. If he had stayed longer the results would’ve only gotten worse.
They liked him but did not respect him or fear him, there were no consequences for poor fitness or bad form. Maybe his style of management is different, he expected the players to take individual responsibility, train hard, spend time on fitness, but the players turned out to be absolute snakes who were happy to take the weekly paycheck and couldn’t be arsed to turn up for games, mentally or physically. The number of games our opponents have looked sharper faster and stronger than us, has been embarrassing, this is on the players as much as it is on the manager. Everytime we’ve been tactically outplayed has to be on Ole alone.
They liked him but did not respect him or fear him, there were no consequences for poor fitness or bad form. Maybe his style of management is different, he expected the players to take individual responsibility, train hard, spend time on fitness, but the players turned out to be absolute snakes who were happy to take the weekly paycheck and couldn’t be arsed to turn up for games, mentally or physically. The number of games our opponents have looked sharper faster and stronger than us, has been embarrassing, this is on the players as much as it is on the manager. Everytime we’ve been tactically outplayed has to be on Ole alone.
I’m not sure. There was a full fall off the cliff face in form which stopped when Carrick came in, that for me proves he’d lost the players completely given nothing was different bar Ole had left.
Now is different, Ragnick has lost most players who want out (which is about 10 supposedly) but isn’t letting them get away with it. Same issue, same crap form but at least some accountability.
It's nice to find people who understand what they are watching buried amongst all the crap every now and again.
I 100% agree with your analysis. In my opinion, the lack of aggression and defensive capabilities demonstrated by the forwards is the biggest reason for our struggles this season.
The defence and CMs have done their part by playing higher and more aggressively yet they are let down time and time again by their colleagues in the attacking positions who leave them exposed - then guess who gets all the blame after the games...
Likewise, De Gea is 'cheating' his teammates in my opinion, playing a game which suits his style to the detriment of the others. At least Henderson tries to help his back four. DDG seems only concerned with what's best for him.
Again, guess who then gets praised after games and labelled as having a "great season".
It wasn't such a big issue last season because we weren't quite so high and quite so aggressive, particularly in away games or games against the top six.
Of course, you can debate how good some of our players are, personally I wouldn't claim McTominay, Fred and AWB, for example, are "elite"...but they are certainly 'good enough' to finish top four when playing in a cohesive team with a defined structure.
I’m just surprised, given (according to the Ole Preservation Society) how amazingly well he did, that his name isn’t being thrown out to replace Poch at PSG, or Ancelotti at Real.
Boggles the mind how they could ignore such a talent.
Boggles the mind how they could ignore such a talent.
There is no inconsistency between Ole doing a decent job at United (results-wise) and him not being a particularly good manager. Managers' ability to perform at clubs can be highly situational. If it weren't, people here would be dying to hire Zinedine Zidane.
Clearly, he doesn't have full control of transfer. One VDB say it all...
And he just didn't voice it out in front of camera like Jose and Ralf
Many on here were begging for us to hire Zidane!
Agree, but I also think stabbing the squad with the knife is more a interim manager’s privilege compared with the permanent manager. The permanent manager has to balance much more in order to get results the next day and keep his job.
I got to admit I have been writing "crap" sometimes but there is need to discuss on the same level as others once or twice.
As you said, we don't need to be max. elite level to have good season and top four. Talent is there somewhere. Maybe. But effort is not. I've been talking a lot about pride, desire, passion, willingness to stick head in where people don't put foot in. To have honour in there job. To work for eachother. That is something we miss. People can have go at Solskjaer and Rangnick and Mourinho or whoever but if players don't care about working hard, it is impossible to do anything inclusive to show talent. If it is there.
Team is like a chain. It has to work as whole. If one part is broken it doesn't work. If you have like us multiple parts that are broken it will never work. Simple.
It was only a matter of time, before Ole had us playing like Klopp 
Have the media reported any interest in Ole's services from lower league clubs?
Many here wanted Zidane last year and also when Mourinho was about to be sacked in 2018.
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If he didn’t know how to use VDB it doesn’t mean he didn’t initially want him. VDB was second choice after Grealish who was too expensive. He initially wanted him as a back-up for Bruno.
He had no idea how to use Sancho either, doesn’t mean he didn’t want him.
50 young RB and nobody even wants him on loan.
Well done OLE
Well done OLE
He and Woodward led us to this mess we are in. His managerial fanbase should ask themselves why no club has employed him since.
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I think a better course of events would have been: No Ronaldo return. Ole stays until summer 22. No Ralf. EtH takes over. Might have swung a 4th place finish that way.
More likely we’d scrape top 10. Our form under him last season was woeful.
Probably more entertaining to watch Peppa Pig from start to finish.
I love Ole though, his managerial stint shouldn't effect his status here.
A better course of events would've been Ole stepping down after the EL final loss. Yes he would be going out on a low in losing a final but looking at the two seasons he was in charge for we would've had two top 4 finishes including a 2nd place finish. He would've left things in a much better place than he did later that year when everything fell apart.
Yup. Love the guy, terrible manager for me but his love for the club and status is unaffected.
Siuuuuu
Peppa Pig is actually entertaining though. Plus it is loveable and kind of fun but not what you’d call sophisticated. Might win the odd low-key award but no Oscars.
Agreed. The slandering of Peppa Pig is scandalous, next they will be after Pingu.
I don't know why but I miss the fecker.
168 matches and it all started going downhill since siu came. Surely he noticed it.
The holidays do it to us all. Chin up, Olly.
Spot on.
Top bloke, legendry player for us; his managerial spell is all very meh though.
Because he loved the club.
Made me spit out my water!
It's a shame that he wasn’t able to add Longstaff to his list of overpriced British nobodies
The Cristiano effect.
This isn't how it would have happened. He had a special ability to keep the wheels of going nowhere turning. He'd probably somehow draw and beat Ajax then ETH would be called another flavour of the month, no doubt in another whoop whoop thread. I never saw plot armour quite the way Ole had it. Only a more beloved legend was able to break it.
Not just meh, imo he did the most damage to the club out of all the managers post SAF.
2012 was less of a disaster to watch than that. Best part certain bunch will try to wash his stint by painting cnut Ronaldo as main reason for his fail, which is complete bullshit. He emp the shit out of us with all things under him.
How do they know this, though? Would be weird if Ole just came out and told them "Yeah, I re-watched all the matches I managed".
Stuff like this is so cringey.
What does he think that would achieve? He’s not coaching those players anymore. Does he remember the instructions he gave for each game and which were followed?
Literally zero point to this other than sentiment. Total waste of time.