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Before Ronaldo there was no football, just empty grass.
Before Ronaldo there was no football, just empty grass.
* Some would say that Cruyff's absolute prime was his last couple of seasons at Ajax, and that he actually regressed in some aspects after he left.What’s the excuse for a top 5 ever in the history of the game player to have completely dropped off aged 26 when he left Ajax?
Problem with bolded part is that he really thinks he's still best player in the world.So this is the sort of behavior that's supposed to attract CL suitors??
Coming off the public embarrassment that was last summer and how it ended with United, you would've thought he'd be on his best behavior and actually try to be a leader and team player for a change at the world cup to show clubs what he can still bring.
That's too much to ask apparently though.
Most 38 year olds would absolutely relish the mentor and super sub role in a very strong team actually capable of winning the most prestigious trophy in world sport. They wouldn't be sour simply because they aren't relied as a top contributor anymore, as every single other 38 year old player hasn't ever been.
United were big in Asia before Ronaldo. Remember that South East Asia tour when Barthez played outfield in Singapore? That was way before Ronaldo. The idea that Ronaldo made the club well known worldwide is absurd.What an absolute crock of shit.
First off, where are you from to talk for all of Asia?
I travelled for 3 years in South East Asia & India. So China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Indo in my early twenties and United were by far the biggest team in the region, Beckham clearly had much to do with that but mainly it was due to being by far the most dominant team in the most popular league.
Madrid weren’t even slightly popular then so I have to know this magical place where La Liga was so popular or a team that had been shite since the 80’s.
United were arguably (only arguably due to Wengers Arsenal) the most popular club in Africa as well before he joined.United were big in Asia before Ronaldo. Remember that South East Asia tour when Barthez played outfield in Singapore? That was way before Ronaldo. The idea that Ronaldo made the club well known worldwide is absurd.
Not meaning to sound rude, but how old are you?Even in the marketing side it was Ronaldo that made United famous world wide and people started to follow United.
The fact that Ajax was so superior is precisely my point.* Some would say that Cruyff's absolute prime was his last couple of seasons at Ajax, and that he actually regressed in some aspects after he left.
* Moving from Ajax to Barcelona was not - then - what it may look like now. In fact, it was decidedly a step down in terms of the strength/quality of the football teams in question. The Ajax team he left was superior to Barcelona, easily so. The Dutch league was also very strong at the top, with Feyenoord being another (historically) great team in the same era.
* So, if the idea is that he was just lording it in Holland and found things harder once he went to Spain, that's completely unfounded (it would be a ridiculous idea anyway, since his reputation was obviously not built on what he did in the Dutch domestic league anyway).
* You could also add that his game was never about being a finisher, as such. That he became less of a goal scorer with the years is perfectly natural.
Yeah that post trying to represent 2bn people was somewhat amusing.What an absolute crock of shit.
First off, where are you from to talk for all of Asia?
I travelled for 3 years in South East Asia & India. So China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Indo in my early twenties and United were by far the biggest team in the region, Beckham clearly had much to do with that but mainly it was due to being by far the most dominant team in the most popular league.
Madrid weren’t even slightly popular then so I have to know this magical place where La Liga was so popular or a team that had been shite since the 80’s.
He's probably been talking to Qatari officials.So this is the sort of behavior that's supposed to attract CL suitors??
First time interacting with SportingCP?
As someone who has also travelled/lived in Asia for long periods, I can confirm that Manchester United are the biggest and most popular club by far. Its not even close, even to this day.What an absolute crock of shit.
First off, where are you from to talk for all of Asia?
I travelled for 3 years in South East Asia & India. So China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Indo in my early twenties and United were by far the biggest team in the region, Beckham clearly had much to do with that but mainly it was due to being by far the most dominant team in the most popular league.
Madrid weren’t even slightly popular then so I have to know this magical place where La Liga was so popular or a team that had been shite since the 80’s.
nah it’s not about age. This is probably the guy who went on sky sports to say if Ronaldo hoes there’s no reason to watch UnitedNot meaning to sound rude, but how old are you?
He’d have been firmly in Messi’s shadow, just as Iniesta was...
They will say he is goat regardless of anything. He is their idol.If Portugal wins the WC without Cristiano, will his fans say that he is the Goat cause he is a WC winner? I know some are capable of that and even more.
He will come in for 10 minutes in the final. Everything countsIf Portugal wins the WC without Cristiano, will his fans say that he is the Goat cause he is a WC winner? I know some are capable of that and even more.
Yes, I wouldn’t be discussing it otherwise.Like I said before, if you actually think that Iniesta and Cruyff are comparable as players, in a historical context, we're too far apart in terms of assessing those players.
I would also repeat: have you watched Cruyff much?
There are many full games of his available.
Yes it is sad.Sad to see this happening towards the end of his career.
MLS or Saudi might really be his only options.
The only thing that’s sad is him. An embarrassment of a person.Sad to see this happening towards the end of his career.
MLS or Saudi might really be his only options.
If they can sell that after a 6-1 masterclass then I will literally give up with lifeI'm sure Mendes and Ronaldo are working on applying pressure on Santos to make him start the next game. Let's see what happens but I'm expecting some news to come out soon that Ronaldo/the dressing room isn't happy with Santos’ tactics. Or something along those lines.
Fair enough - cool. Just asking. There are many posters on here who haven't done any due research. I'm glad that you're not one of them.Yes, I wouldn’t be discussing it otherwise.
What do you mean by "ridiculously dominant"?For Cruyff, he’s undoubtedly one of the best players ever, but his record from aged just 26 after leaving a frankly ridiculously dominant Ajax side is “meh” at best, and pales in comparison to a fair few others.
This was my overriding emotion from all the hoo-ha yesterday...So effing happy we got rid of him! The beginning of a new era!
No one is saying Cantona is better. But, frankly Ronaldo isn't fit to lace his boots the way he behaved.Whether you fancy Pele, cruyff, maradona or messi instead is ok but when you start comparing Cantona( my favourite Utd player) as better than him, then you haven’t a clue.
Weak opposition, abso-fecking-lutely. As I posted earlier…What do you mean by "ridiculously dominant"?
This suggests weak opposition, yes? That his numbers were accumulated in a suspect (in some way) context?
I don't agree with that - at all.
So with the results above, in that ridiculous dominant league, you think Laudrup wouldn’t have posted silly numbers also?Part of that completeness is that he - undoubtedly - was more of a direct goal threat than either of the other two..
https://footballia.net/players/hendrick-johannes-johan-cruyffI never saw Cruyff play at his peak and never saw him play for Holland and I’m 54 so I would suggest a lot of the cruyff comments are hearsay, nostalgia or they just watched the turn 1000 times. My dad did think he was a great player but was ever convinced he blew the 74 WC final by making it all about him and being a greedy B. Sound familiar
oVErRateD.Dropping this in the comprehensive Ronaldo thread. Slots into the top 5 players of all-time for me, despite his injuries.
Yes, he is also quite clueless.I never saw Cruyff play at his peak and never saw him play for Holland and I’m 54 so I would suggest a lot of the cruyff comments are hearsay, nostalgia or they just watched the turn 1000 times. My dad did think he was a great player but was ever convinced he blew the 74 WC final by making it all about him and being a greedy B. Sound familiar