Fair enough, I don't put as much value on winning a World Cup I guess. I've just heard it used as a stick to beat Messi with for a long time and surely at this point his performances at World Cups can no longer be doubted with this one and in 2014.
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Same here.
Same.
He did that at 35 on such a big occasion vs what the majority thinks has been the best defender in the tournament.
That's just random internet bullshit. Anyone who thinks about downplaying his career shouldn't call themselves a football fan.
Nail on head.
I’d go so far as to say he is probably the best I’ll ever see in my life time. Hard to imagine someone coming along and doing what he’s done over his entire career. Hope I’m wrong though. Makes me a bit sad watching these games knowing they’re some of his last.
He's been alright this tournament aye?
Yeah, because you think result oriented thinking gets you anywhere. Which is probably why you're getting nowhere.
One more win.
Has Keane finally turned on Ronaldo? Keane actually hoping he wins the World Cup to “put the icing on the cake” on his career.
One more game Messi. You beautiful beautiful man.
One more game Messi. You beautiful beautiful man.
My point was on who is the greatest and I simply rate what Messi has achieved for Argentina and his clubs overall to be more than Maradona did for Argentina and his clubs. I agree that Messi needs to win the whole thing to be held in or near the same regard as Maradona is for Argentina.
Yes, it was far more difficult in Diego's era, far more protection in the modern era.
He deserves his WC. It’s just a shame we wouldn’t have a live feed from Piers Morgan’s house of Cristiano’s tears.
You don't seem to have a clue about the era of Maradona, or if you do, you're posting dishonestly. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on your post.
No one deserves one unless they win it. I'm praying Mbappe will crash this party.
That's just rubbish though. There were a lot of plodders around in those days. There's far more athleticism and fitness in todays games, it's higher paced and more difficult to dribble through teams like Messi does
The solution to a problem lies in the disappearance of the problem, to loosely quote Wittgenstein. The answer to the question Who is the greatest? occurs when the question ceases to be asked.
I think it’s massively to Ronaldo’s credit that he made it a conversation. But ultimately, for me at least, he could never bridge the gap in actual ability between the two.
Messi brings a magic, a genius, a ‘how did he do that!?’…that Ronaldo never did (outside of goal scoring). With Ronaldo it was often ‘Wow!’, but with Messi it was ‘How!’
Messi brings a magic, a genius, a ‘how did he do that!?’…that Ronaldo never did (outside of goal scoring). With Ronaldo it was often ‘Wow!’, but with Messi it was ‘How!’
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And I'd even say more than twice
What a leader. Brilliant.
Even if some other players have found their form, like Julian Alvarez, Messi IS Argentina.
Even if some other players have found their form, like Julian Alvarez, Messi IS Argentina.
I fear he will, with a much better supporting cast and 12 years younger... hoping ziyech and co crash mbappe's party first.
France are a stronger team, Mbappe doesn't even have to show up for France to win they have 4-5 match winners in the XI.
Messi has to show up for Argentina to perform.
I’ve never been a massive fan of his but I have to admire his determination these last couple weeks. He’s really gone for it.
I am too
Oh you don't have to worry about me and my concepts. Cheers.
I see the goal posts are already starting to move.
Fair enough. Nothing wrong with that opinion obviously.
Sorry but that is no true. Football have involved and is harder as it goes. Messi is better player. Maradona was artist and class. Messi, since his debut, have been from another planet.
Ah yeah and of course nothing wrong with yours!!
incredible, in crying
You need to check the list of defenders Diego played against
great post. Wow vs how.
He did something extraordinary in basically every game so far, right?
The goal posts are set solid in the ground. Which one is it? You don't know what you're talking about, or, you're posting dishonestly?
Yeah it’s swings and roundabouts. Modern attacking players don’t have to deal with shocking pitches and brutal tackles but they’re up against incredibly well coached and organised defences full of athletes who are miles fitter, stronger and quicker than the average defender that Maradonna was playing against.
Not when they can just clear you out and barely get a yellow card.
Agree to disagree.
Whatever happens on Sunday, it's been an absolute joy to watch him (Except for those two UCL finals)
)to think that there actually exist people who think CR is his equal or even better. incredible actually. then again, there are people who believe the Earth is flat...
This really isn't true.
France have been handicapped by missing at least 4 bona-fide starters through injury and have been far from full strenth while Argentina are at full strength.
Alvarez literally just had a hand in all their goals now including two direct involvements without Messi, I'm not sure how you can state that Messi has to show up for them to perform when key players have stepped up in every round from the goalkeeper through to the striker.