??He was the top scorer in the tournament
griezman literally doubled Ronaldo’s goal output
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Lionel Messi is OFFICIALLY the Greatest Player of all Time (CONFIRMED OFFICIAL)
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griezman literally doubled Ronaldo’s goal output
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He wasn't. He was 3 goals behind GriezmannHe was the top scorer in the tournament
It is very American but just a quick way of saying it.
Portugal of the last 5 years have had a better team than this Argentina team. This Argentina team is actually bang average and winning the world cup with that team is surprising.
Portugal winning the Euro is good but Argentina winning the WC with this team is a great achievement.
You are clutching at straws because you have very little left in the tank for Ronaldo being better than Messi and can't handle that.
Apologies, meant to say their top scorer.
Not that 3 is a great total, but you can't say he didn't contribute when he was too scorer for his team.
Apologies, I meant to say their top scorer.
3 goals, As many as Nani.Yeah heavy contribution.He was the top scorer in the tournament
Messi has played every single minute of all the Argentina games and I dont think he has had one bad match.
He scored in 2 games. 2 against Hungary and 1 in the Semi final against Wales. He contributed for sure but he was joint top scorer for Portugal with Nani who scored in 3 games.
I think he has an incredible huge mountain to climb, and luck always plays a part too, but I absolutely don't underestimate the chance Mbappe can get close to Ronnie and Messi. It's not about the technical side of Mbappe, think he showed enough already in that regard that's he's quite good, but the "kid" has Ronnie has his idol and I wouldn't be surprised he's a mentality freak, too, which I think it's going to be a 100% requisite for new players to achieve at least Ronaldo's level. We spend hundreds of pages trying to undermine one of the two saying they buckle under pressure, when in reality we just forget the insane effort both have made mentally and psychologically to achieve what they have, and that's a part of their career we underrate.
Is being your countries top scorer in a competition not contributing?
I'm not comparing it to Messi's tournament. I'm just saying he contributed to someone saying he didn't really contribute.
By no means am I saying it was a vintage or even good tournament but if you're your contries top scorer, you've contributed. So if someone says you didn't, it's wrong.
Case closed.
Portugal beat France in France in the EC 2016 with the usual suspect cheerleading outside the pitch getting all the credit despite zero contribution in the final, such a fraud..
Imagine thinking Ronaldo won EC in 2016 alone when he was not even the best player of Portugal in that tournament with zero contribution in the final against the first proper team Portugal faced, France..
0 assist + 0 goals in 8 knock-out games in 5 WCs says it all about this fraud
Some posters here need an interview with Piers, Messi winning the WC has become all too much for some
Exactly. You're dead on, there. The AFA has a more competent structure than our Portuguese FA despite their consistent failures in results until last year, the staff, the players, always have this passion and drive and desire we don't, and our team has been led by a football coach that has a Ferrari in his hand and doesn't know how to drive it. Sure he did win the Euro 2016, but I know the football we played in that tournament. Argentina definitely has worse *players* than ours over the last I'd say 5 years, but I have to say, in the end, they are absolutely a better team than us despite their shortcomings. Some things other than players and technical ability are more important to a National Team's success, and Argentina built some of that before Scaloni, and the final part of it with Scaloni. I'd honestly take the AFA over the Portuguese FA any day of the week.
Deary me this is tragic. The weirdest part is you’re Portuguese but are willing to make stuff up and shit on the rest of your countries footballers past and present to present your country as some sort of shitty minnow in an attempt to elevate a player you’re obviously deeply in love with
look at Portugal at Euro 2000 for fecks sakes.The bit about how Argentina would have won more and earlier with Ronaldo was the funniest bit of the lot. I won’t say too much more because I can only imagine how much this is eating you up inside and how long it will take for your pain to dissipate. What a damn shame, even cal had the humility and good sense to be honest with himself and concede defeat.
A certain CRazed poster has had more mares in this thread than are seen at Ascot
As long as it means the weirdo Messi and Ronaldo fanboys feck off out of football forever then that’s perfectly okay with me.
This GOAT stuff is just another example of the **** of the individual that we see pervading all areas of society. In the 90s and 00s I truly don’t recall this constant back and forth debate about GOATs, not just in football but in basketball too.
It's called an opinion, learn to deal with it.
Firstly I don't need too given I know what a drug cheat he was, I used him as an example of someone who had average players around him in 86 and won it, messi has decent top players around him to help, as to me the goat is and will always be the guy who won it 3 times, including two back to back Pele.
There really is no trophy in all of sports that can come close to the beauty of the World Cup. It's stunning.
Always was a Ronaldo fan. Used to say Messi had to prove it outside of Barcelona and wasn't "clutch" enough (couple important pens he missed). Those arguments are gone. Never has the pressure been this big on a player and he delivered. Love to see it.
This world cup win coupled with his club achievements cements him as GOAT.
People say he was already the GOAT on pure ability 5-10 years ago, but winning it with Argentina and the manner he did it was missing. He didn't choke under the highest pressure. The Last Dance MJ type of stuff. Surreal.
This world cup win coupled with his club achievements cements him as GOAT.
People say he was already the GOAT on pure ability 5-10 years ago, but winning it with Argentina and the manner he did it was missing. He didn't choke under the highest pressure. The Last Dance MJ type of stuff. Surreal.
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Friendly? Because this never happened in official games. I'm not even sure Isco has ever played in a game where both scored....I went to see a classico where Isco was the best player on the pitch
Messi And Ronaldo scored though. What a day that was!
Yeah, I’ve just realised I’ve misread the majority of this thread. I incorrectly assumed Sporting was on the wind up.
Here’s the same for Portugal’s last match:
Porto
Man United
Porto
Man City
Dortmund
Man City
Wolves
Porto
Man United
Benfica
Athletico Madrid
Not including Cancelo (City) and Leao (AC Milan).
Dias, Cancelo, Neves, Silva, Fernandes, Leao… Portugal’s team contains more talent than Argentina’s. I would go as far as saying one Portugal’s biggest weaknesses is Ronaldo himself.
Many teams had a player that had to be carried somewhat defensively:
Argentina - Messi
France - Mbappe
Croatia - Modric
Brazil - Neymar
But those players’ overall contribution far outweighed whatever defensive capabilities that were lost. That was not the case with Portugal and Ronaldo (hence him getting dropped). Ten Hag came to the same conclusion in a matter of days.
I take it that Sporting is Portuguese. I’m don’t understand why you would talk down your national team which has produced awesome talent throughout Ronaldo’s entire career… including a side that won a European Championship final FOR Ronaldo as he looked on as an elevated cheerleader. Why is a Portuguese person making out that the reason Ronaldo never became a world champion is because he was unlucky to be born Portuguese? He played in FIVE World Cups. Literally no one on the planet has had more opportunities to win a World Cup than he has.
reduced to unprovable hypothesizing.
Didn't leave Barcelona to elevate another team, not as good as Barcelona. But even then it's nit picking. I am a stern Maradona fan but today I admit Messi is better than him. It's not as though Messi was a passenger, he deservedly won man of the tournament.
Messi, Maradona, Pele in that order.
A pathetic attempt to make out that Portugal has no football history just to defend a guy who is in the eyes of all sane and rational people the second best player of his generation.
It is harder for Portugal to win the World Cup than Argentina. But I'm not even asking for that. I'm asking for the guy to actually show up at a World Cup, which he never, ever did, outside of a handful of games. Croatia is a smaller country than Portugal. They finished runners up last time and third this time, thanks in part to the efforts of one Luka Modric. He won the Golden ball last time and the Bronze Ball this time. Ronaldo has never even sniffed either of those.
Eusebio helped Portugal to a third place finish in 1966. He scored more goals in one tournament than Ronaldo has managed in 5. Won the WC Golden boot, another award that Ronaldo has never even sniffed.
This information proves what is possible for players and teams from smaller nations. Portugal were 16 or 17-1 to win the WC in the pre tournament odds: in 2018, Croatia were 33-1 and made the final
Long story short, Ronaldo has been a monumental World Cup failure and the World Cup is by far the biggest stage. Come to terms with it now for your own good. There's lots of other things he's achieved after all.....
It would take a herculean effort to match Ronaldo, but it is possible barring injuries and maintaining an elite level concentration. I don't think he has it in him to match Messi precisely because he falls short in the same area as Ronaldo does when comparing to Messi, which is creativity. Messi is just flat out better. So much so that his assists records are historical. And to reach that you need a level of vision and passing ability that I don't think he has.
Not related to your comment or directed at you, but more so with the thread now:
It's honestly insane PR that there was a debate because we can all see with our eyes who is the more complete player in terms of all around consistent impact. Messi consistently terrorized defenses through his dribbling in ways that Ronaldo could not hope to achieve, all the while having very similar goal scoring records, being the better creative player leading to his historic assists statistics, and while also being so technically gifted that he helps maintain possession in midfield and in the box to help disrupt defenses.
The only thing Ronaldo is reduced to is his age allowing him to score more goals by being able to play in more games, and having a superior total goal record in CL knockouts, and winning more CL finals. That despite Messi having way more league titles (including the holy grail a treble), and also being the man of the match twice in CL finals, while Ronaldo could only muster it once.
So individual awards go to Messi. World Cup performances goes to Messi. Leagues go to Messi. Statistics go to Messi. Eye test goes to Messi.
It's sad that some are so unable to get over their love for their idol.
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On some level I’ve got to respect the commitment to the bit. Top work.
Don't get me.wrong, I hope someone.like this comes along rather sooner than later as well
The fact that there were fluid transitions between Maradona, R9 and Messi gives me hope we'll soon see a prodigy of comparable talent. I just don't believe it is Mbappe, as good as he is.and if it wasn’t for Messi, Argentina would have lost to both teams in regulation. Period.
Yes he is definitely now. But if you asked me 10 years ago i would've still have said he was the GOAT.
face it man, Messi killed the debate. It’s over. Pepe had a bigger impact in euro 2016 than Ronaldo did. Griezman was player of the tournament. This WC Messi was inarguably Argentina’s best player.
people remember world cups FAR more than euros. Can’t be the GOAT with 0 assists and 0 goals in World Cup knockouts. It’s not a jab, but Ronaldo dies in this debate.
Piers Morgan is the ultimate GOAT for airing that interview and making it blatantly evident that Messi is the king of football even before a ball was kicked in Qatar.
Kinda hard to do much in a final when you get crocked inside 20 minutes and can't carry on. That is a ridiculous pot shot.Portugal beat France in France in the EC 2016 with the usual suspect cheerleading outside the pitch getting all the credit despite zero contribution in the final, such a fraud..
Imagine thinking Ronaldo won EC in 2016 alone when he was not even the best player of Portugal in that tournament with zero contribution in the final against the first proper team Portugal faced, France..
0 assist + 0 goals in 8 knock-out games in 5 WCs says it all about this fraud
I’ve leaned Ronaldo in the GOAT debate for a long time, but not any longer. Messi has separated himself from the pack.
Agree to disagree.
Messi winning it for Diego, the greatest player ever to come out of Argentina was good