That's a really shite deal that Chelsea have agreed to, and I say that as someone who'd have loved us to get him on loan on reasonable terms.
Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea
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Felix has been told Simeone is off in the summer then.
We've probably reached the point where, if Chelsea show an interest in a player, that should be our cue to move on and leave well alone. Felix won't do it in the PL in my opinion.
Some players hit the ground running, but some need time to settle in.. especially winter transfers without a pre season..
He'll be there for a short time.. he knows he's getting next season at Madrid with Simione leaving, so he isnt playing for his future..
He might be a great success, but this has the makings of a forgettable loan signing..
He'll be there for a short time.. he knows he's getting next season at Madrid with Simione leaving, so he isnt playing for his future..
He might be a great success, but this has the makings of a forgettable loan signing..
Weghorst to score more goals than Felix before May. You heard it here first.
Chelsea want to inject some new blood and quality and they have a few injuries in attack, plus Felix can play various roles. This at least covers them until the summer and should help them get further up the league. It's desperate and expensive of course but better than not having him.
While there's no buy option and he's extended, there were reports of Atletico willing to accept a fee for him, it was either a short loan or you buy him now. Atletico will be in a strong position should Chelsea or anyone want to make it permanent and if not they get a refreshed player back for the new manager.
You think Mbappe is being paid €4m per week in wages?Agree with most of your points and think Felix is going to be a bad signing for us but come on, it's nowhere near "Mbappe level of investment" seeing as Mbappe is on around €4M a week.
But yeah even if that cost comparison was terrible it's still a shit load of money for someone who's very likely not going to be a great fit.
Now that we're out of both domestic cups, before Felix is even eligible to play we'll only have 19 league games left plus however far we get in the UCL. All added up we're realistically looking at 21-23 games left in the season and chances are Felix is not going to play them all so at £15M total his cost per game is going to be very high. Even if he somehow fits in I still very much doubt he'll score more than 5-6 goals from now till the end of the season so is £2-3M/goal worth it? Feck no.
Only way I can see this becoming a good loan signing is if he's actually great and we end up buying him on a permanent deal in the summer, but right now that seems unlikely. Or if he somehow fires us to a CL title which is even more unlikely.
Isnt that a third of PSGs entire revenue?
You might be right but that seems crazy to me. I’d only ever seen reports of him earning €650k a week.
Terrible deal but I'm sure he'll do very well - he's a top player.
Yep that's the part which is unfair on him
No such thing as cup-tied anymore, hasn't been a thing for at least a few years now.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...n-e630m-gross-salary-at-psg-over-three-years/
Overall 630M€ over three years if the option for the third season is triggered.
Mbappe's base salary is 'only' around 1.5M a week but he also pocketed a €180M signing bonus spread out over the duration of the contract and will have a 'loyalty bonus' of €70-80M a year for every year of contract.
All of that adds up to €210M a year so €4.04M a week.
So tier one when it suits and Boehly's personal spokesman when it doesn't? Gotcha. I think I understand nowHe is obviously a transfer tier-1 for the London teams.
He also obviously has an in with Boehly and that generally means quid pro quid.
A little nuance is too much?
Ok cool you were looking at the total investment rather than just wages.
I must have seen the post tax figure mentioned in that article and thought that was his full wage.
Still insane that PSG can do that deal though.
Does it occur to you that when he gets info from the clubs they will obviously put their spin on it? Such as the Chelsea project appealed, his source at Chelsea is obviously going to say that. It’s exactly the same thing when we get someone in and you hear the same things. It’s all just spin and PR.So tier one when it suits and Boehly's personal spokesman when it doesn't? Gotcha. I think I understand now
Well every bit of money from that contract is going to Mbappe himself so in this case I think calling it 'wages' is accurate, even if they're trying to mask it as a lower figure with the bonuses amounting to much more than the actual base salary.
Also the bloke I was previously replying to was calling it "Mbappe level of investment" while counting the total figures for Felix, including the loan fee and salary, so it only makes sense to count everything with Mbappe as well.
He was so enamoured by the "project" at Chelsea that he opted to extend his contract at Atletico before joining and didn't insist on any sort of option for Chelsea to take him permanently. Journalists putting out whatever clubs tell them is going the same way as political journalists. Maybe it's always been this way.
I’m glad people are realising how much of a load of bollocks this tier system is. Utter nonsense.So tier one when it suits and Boehly's personal spokesman when it doesn't? Gotcha. I think I understand now
Yeah thats fair enough.
The loose point I was making wasn’t really meant to be about Mbappe specifically, as I clearly underestimated how well he was paid.
Maybe Haaland, Lewandowski or Benzema would have been better examples? I was trying to illustrate the point that for the amount Chelsea are spending on this deal, you would expect the kind of output people pay elite level strikers for rather than the 1 in 4 numbers Joao Felix has produced to this point.
So Atletico have chosen the player over the manager then?
I just love it when I see ridiculous statements like this. He has been playing in La Liga for 3 seasons and has never scored double digits for Atletico in a whole season. As a forward. Never. And he is suddenly going to come to the Premier League and "help cement top 4" with his goals? Right. The overrating of this guy truly is something to behold.
fixed it for you
I need to find my post where I suggested this as an option for them in the first place.
What's your point?Did the press say we was getting:
Eriksen
Malacia
Casemiro
Martinez
Antony
?
The exact reverse to the stupid point you was making.
My point was the press make up loads of sht. So the exact reverse is that they are 100 percent truthful. One of us is wrong. I wonder who?
Now we all know why neither arsenal nor ourselves wanted to loan him.
Probably the person pointing out that everything that didn’t go in our favour is made up. But similar stories that did go in our favour just happened to not be made up.
There’s a lot of information out there maybe you just have an issue processing the sht from the not sht.
No sht!
Who are you mystic meg? Out of the thousands of stories how many are true? 1 percent? 10 percent? And you have some secret power to know the truth! Ha! Give me a break Mystic Meg.We'd never have heard the end of it if we'd done that deal.
who’s disappointed now? The club would have got chastised if we were doing this deal & rightfully so!
Throwing too much cash on unreasonable deals hurt us badly in a long run. Although, I really like the player am happy that the club didn't make the deal under such terms even if they somehow could stretch the finances. However talented he may be there is enough risk attached to him at this point not to commit to a short deal like that without any option on clubs part to make it permanent.
Felix quite possibly made the wrong move (again). Arsenal, if not us, made a lot more sense but am assuming they weren't willing to throw so much money on a short deal as well.
Felix quite possibly made the wrong move (again). Arsenal, if not us, made a lot more sense but am assuming they weren't willing to throw so much money on a short deal as well.
Totally agree Jim
He’s a nice player with good potential but I’m happy the club hasn’t got involved in this kind of deal. It speaks volumes both United and Arsenal were on the same page with this one whilst Big Bollocks Boehly was quite happy to write out a blank cheque.
Bro if you can’t identify truth between us being linked to Darwin Nunes and being linked to Marcos Leonard…No sht!
Again that’s on you.
It’s not mystical it’s common sense. Like seeing a message on your partners phone saying are you coming to see me again this weekend and you coming to the conclusion they’re not doing you over.
What i would love is to see who liked your posts, seriously what the feck are you on about. All i said is he was a good player who would help the team, which wasn't even the point anyway, imagine ridiculing some imaginary extreme you pulled out your arse while employing your own equally ludicrous language, indeed what could Joao Felix possibly contribute to an attack that is desperate enough for Memphis depay and a Burnley player, an attack that other than an inconsistent 18 year old is relying solely on 1 player to put the ball in the net...I just love it when I see ridiculous statements like this. He has been playing in La Liga for 3 seasons and has never scored double digits for Atletico in a whole season. As a forward. Never. And he is suddenly going to come to the Premier League and "help cement top 4" with his goals? Right. The overrating of this guy truly is something to behold.
You're aware we were linked with around 400 players by July?
We picked Antony over Gakpo when he was attainable.
The Felix deal is terrible and there's no chance of a permanent move at the end.
Nunez is not worth the money and never was and I'm not sure we were seriously in for him, not at that price anyway. If we were in for Nunez we dodged a bullet so the criticism is a little strange.
Felix is a good player and it would have been nice but I’m glad United haven’t completed such a ridiculous deal. Are you not?
But Atletico can always opt not to sell him especially if he does well enough to warrant Chelsea trying to buy him permanently. There are also talks of Simeone leaving at the end of this season, so he could always fancy his chances with the new manager at Atletico.
It's an awful deal no matter how anyone tries to spin it.
Yeah. I can't see any upside to this deal for Chelsea. Whichever way one looks at it, Chelsea gain nothing from this. Would make sense if Chelsea were in a chance for top 4, so his addition would boost the squad and help push for it but Chelsea are 10 points behind fourth which in itself isn't unsurmountable but the bigger issue is that there are 6 teams ahead that they'll need to overtake which makes the task almost impossible.
This is just burning 17 millions for nothing. Only beneficiaries in all this are Felix and Atletico.
He is very talented, but there are some things that worried me in terms of lack of work rate and am not 100% convinced about his mentality. Which is what makes this move from Chelsea even more questionable. If I could say anything for that team (aside from the fact they have like at least 5 players who play in the same position as Felix) is that they are soft and often get bullied, especially away from home. Not sure how Felix of all people will help them in that sense. And on top of that they are pretty much out of the top 4 race.
In any case, will be interesting to see how he will fare in EPL.
Thats just nonsense. Just because Darwin Nunes is more likely than Marcos Leonard doesnt make the Nunes story true. They could be both bullsht. Plus there are several nuances to every deal. Define interested? United probably consider 50 plus strikers. Maybe they even said to the agent 'Hey keep us up to date on Nunes.' Doesnt mean we were 100 percent in love with him and wanted him. He was just an option.
I can write United interested in Kane, Moukoko, Bellingham, Enzo and De Jong. Its probably all true to a degree. They would have all of them on their list, talk about them. scout them, tell the agents to keep them updated. Then magically they go somewhere else and I can write - United wanted him but they failed! True? Well sort of. They kind of considered him.
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