Your mental gymnastics are trying to re-write history.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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You mention Longstaff quite a lot, actually.
And if we signed players that Ole didn’t play much, who’s to say they were his signings?
Or we could have just gotten a proper elite manager at the top of this have instead of Moyes. Everything didn't happen for a reason. This is just fatalistic nonsense.
And he didn't go on TV until he met EtH, which is what you objected to. Again very harsh on EtH if you ask me.
Not really.
2 of Ole's major summer signings barely ever played under him (Sancho and Vdb)
It seems you have no interest in facts. On the day the details of the contract leaked Spurs were 4th on 54 points and we were 7th on 51 points. The season was by no means over we still had 8 games to play. You're choosing to ignore the consultancy terms because it doesn't fit your narrative of the role being "basically DoF".
On that we agree. Ole was just another silly appointment.
Something, something broken clocks… guy was an absolute clown show. He said absolutely nothing your average poster on the caf couldn’t have told you. All the while he threw all of the players and the club under the nearest bus to cover his own inadequacies and protect his own rep. I don’t dislike/hate him, but he deserves no regard from us and I’m glad he was jettisoned. Close this thread and let’s forget about him.
Moyes was there 1 season with a squad that need totally rebuilding, he wasn't up to it but the next 2 managers were proper top level elite managers
The right manager is the crucial bit, not whether they are elite
He went on TV when it became evident that we actually had a manager instead of a doormat who allowed him to leave the game after being subtituted etc. I repeat do you think that ETH would have signed Ronaldo?
Yet this clown show must know something us CAF posters don't because the majority of us are earning buttons on something other than football and he's been earning millions out of the game
He was correct about us needing 10 signings to get back on top. I was wary when he left because I didn’t know if ETH was a coach who needed a good footballing board to identify the signings that he needed, and didn‘t trust Murtough to be that guy.
But as far as I can tell, it’s worked out just fine for us. I don’t think Ralf would have been with us too long if he was here though. I got the feeling he was going to fade out once all was good with the club, and then return to Germany and take it easy basically, which he’s kinda done by taking the Austrian national job, and national jobs are kinda the last jobs you take as a manager.
If it’s true that he advised us to get Enzo Fernandez for £15m last year then we missed that boat in hindsight.
Moyes is the one that provokes my ire out of the post Ferguson managers. Absolute ginger ghoul of a man
But as far as I can tell, it’s worked out just fine for us. I don’t think Ralf would have been with us too long if he was here though. I got the feeling he was going to fade out once all was good with the club, and then return to Germany and take it easy basically, which he’s kinda done by taking the Austrian national job, and national jobs are kinda the last jobs you take as a manager.
If it’s true that he advised us to get Enzo Fernandez for £15m last year then we missed that boat in hindsight.
Moyes is the one that provokes my ire out of the post Ferguson managers. Absolute ginger ghoul of a man
It was a silly thing to say publicly when he was still struggling to get a tune out of the players. Served no purpose other than appeasing some fans.
Who really signed him, I'm not convinced any or our managers signed him the 2nd time
ETH did make one mistake with Ronaldo though, he made him captain for a game after that incident, he should never have done that
It was April, there was less than a quarter of the season left to go. This is an extreme act of semantics, you refusing to acknowledge that the news being released when it was already certain Rangnick wasn't going to get the full time job and the club were looking to distance themselves is on you.
It literally happened the week after Rangnick said we were 6 years behind Liverpool.
I just think you're being very harsh on EtH's handling of the situation, he handled it well.
So many poor posts here sticking the knife into Rangnick, who is a hugely respected figure in football. He never came here to be manager. His strengths were as a DoF. And that’s where he acquisition was targeted. To restructure behind the scenes.
I said it at the time, and I was proven emphatically right, that the problem was Ronaldo. He took over a camp that was toxic in the extreme. We’d have only been stronger if he was with us now in a DoF capacity. He identified players early that we should’ve signed for cheap, and who are now quoted at 100m plus.
I wish him well. People here calling him a clown, are embarrassing themselves. One poster thinks he knows he is a snake oil salesmen because he has to regularly vet pizza vendors and so he can spot his like a mile off. I mean, some of these posts. Christ on a bike.
Just let it go.
I said it at the time, and I was proven emphatically right, that the problem was Ronaldo. He took over a camp that was toxic in the extreme. We’d have only been stronger if he was with us now in a DoF capacity. He identified players early that we should’ve signed for cheap, and who are now quoted at 100m plus.
I wish him well. People here calling him a clown, are embarrassing themselves. One poster thinks he knows he is a snake oil salesmen because he has to regularly vet pizza vendors and so he can spot his like a mile off. I mean, some of these posts. Christ on a bike.
Just let it go.
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Ralf Rangnick was brought mid season as an interim manager for a couple of months. United was passing from a horrible situation, it was evident that Ole had lost control over the squad and that the players did pretty much whatever they wanted at this point.
Ralf's style was in clear contrast to that of his two predecessors which meant that the squad was unsuited for his football. He had no experience in managing a top club and he was, by that time, semi retired as manager (he spent most of his latter years as DOF). Ralf wasn't allowed to bring in the people he wanted, he wasn't allowed to sign players and his best role in football was actually that covered by his boss. In my opinion that's the closest thing in football to a dead man's walking.
Let's just admit that this was yet another mess in an endless line of messes this club had got involved into.
Ralf's style was in clear contrast to that of his two predecessors which meant that the squad was unsuited for his football. He had no experience in managing a top club and he was, by that time, semi retired as manager (he spent most of his latter years as DOF). Ralf wasn't allowed to bring in the people he wanted, he wasn't allowed to sign players and his best role in football was actually that covered by his boss. In my opinion that's the closest thing in football to a dead man's walking.
Let's just admit that this was yet another mess in an endless line of messes this club had got involved into.
It seems that you lost interest to debate so...let's agree to disagree.
I lost interest in it when you thought a man taking a 3 day break to return home while his players were off was a reason for a disastrous reign. But then giving EtH a hard time because Ronaldo did an interview is about the same standard.
There's a reason I said at the top of their game. Neither of them were. It wasn't obvious with Mourinho that he was definitely finished, granted, but his best days were behind him.
I agree we should let it go but he did come here as a manager. We hired him as an interim manager. There was never any expectation that he would be a DOF at United.
Ole's strategy was largely built around buying players he knew about. Maguire and AWB were EPL proven while he did try to sign Haaland and Joshua King who were Norwegian. He also gave great weight to the recommendation of other former players. James was signed on Giggs recommendation while VDB was on VDS's recommendation.
Ronaldo had everything Ole would want. He was a United legend, who had a reputation of changing the game on his own (a bit to what Bruno did). Such lethal striker should, on paper, convert the little chances Ole's team generated into goals. In my opinion he was an Ole signing, possibly the most Ole signing he made.
Regarding ETH's decision well I think it was a tactical masterpiece. Ronaldo did the mistake of promising a 'reveal all' interview months before he actually did. That allowed ETH to make him captain thus stripping him away Ronaldo's chance of turning himself into a victim ie the former legend who was disrespected and was never given a chance.
Interim Manager going into the DoF consultancy role. That’s where the benefit lay.
I can see why you would want to present it like this but...
This club loves extremes. We went frons :hugs: and :smiles: to a tactical genius
YAY!! We're finally learn what tactics are what about
Yeah all ETH did to turn the corner was seeing potential. Lets just ignore the spending of the best of 150 millions because we can't stand complexity in our views ^^
Its evident that I was wrong on that one, a common mistake done by Klopp as well btw.. I probably underestimated how one dimensional Ole's team was in being unable to settle to a different (although very different) style of football. However I did expected Rangnick to be given a fair crack to the whip TBH. That means bringing in the people at staff level he needed to implement his style and maybe sign a couple of players in. Once that didn't happen then yes he was a dead man walking. I dare to say that even ETH would have struggled in those circumstances.
I suppose the one plus point is that when they lost all respect for Rangnick we didn't end up with *checks notes* Marco Rose.
At least you were consistent though.
It's odd you warned your friends at the time though, but were posting stuff like "we're going to learn about tactics!!" in the thread at the same time
I love taking a pint with my United mates every Sunday. When Rangnick signed they told me that I should be happy about it as I always rated the man (mostly as a sporting director but oh well). I remember telling them that yes I was happy but we should brace ourselves to alot and alot of pain.
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Say what you want about the football professor Ralfy aka the allfather of gegenpressing but I give him credit for recommending the board to hire ETH.
At least give him credit for this.
At least give him credit for this.
Back then the information was that Rangnick was for the long term not as manager but as a part of the football side of the board. It would have made sense in such circumstances for the club to bring in someone whom Rangnick knew well and would be on the same page as he did. In reality something like that might still have happened as ETH's game is closer to Rangnick's then that of Pochettino.
That 6 days a month role that seemed to be tagged on at the end so he wouldn't be without income as he was leaving a full time job.
It wasn't a DOF role as far as I'm aware.
Imo the significance of that is totally overblown and there was a suggestion it would be to do with recruitment but there was never a huge about of information about it. From what we can tell his targets were at odds with Ten Hag's anyway so I'm not sure how much value he really would have added.
The majority of United supporters wanted him in aswell. It's not like Ralf was the only one who thought of Ten Hag.
Oh please. hugely respected figure? You think Klopp, Tuchel etc calling him the professor of gegen-pressing are for real? They were probably laughing their asses off when we appointed this fraud as our interim manager. He can't be hugely respected if he has achieved feck all in football at the age of 64. And he would have gotten better offers then Austria if he really did "such a good job".
He never came here to be manager? Then what is he doing managing the team? He's the frigging interim manager, not DoF, and his job is to get the team to perform and achieve a top4 objective, not crash and burn, and then blaming everything on the players.
It's people like you defending this fraud/clown/snake-oil salesman that are embarrassing. Follow your own advice and let it go.
But you were warning your friends we were in for pain (which would be correct) while telling everyone on here we'd hired a tactical genius... it's a shame there's no paper trail for your completely accurate but contradictory analysis of the situation like there is for your incorrect one.
I find the 6 days a month thing a bit weird though. Was Rangnick promised such limited involvement before leaving Spartak? I very much doubt it as his deal with Milan went tits up precisely because he wasn't given the free hand he wanted in shaping the club the way he wanted.
Then he should be MANAGING the team instead of playing politics.
Horstchoker aka @Semper Fudge
Jermaine Jenas is making hundreds of thousands of pounds out of being a football commentator, it doesn’t automatically follow he’s insightful.
The two things aren't essentially contradictory. Take SAF's early reign as an example. Many remember SAF's success but they seem to forget how painful it was for United as he was busy implementing the necessary changes we needed to awaken the sleeping giant.
United were in a similar situation. We were shifting from a squad who was lazy and that was built around a deep line defence and counter attacking football to gegenpressing which is highly paced/high intensity football built around a high line defence. That's a huge change in style and attitude.
What actually took me by surprise is how quickly it took for ETH to change things around. There again ETH was given preseason training, alot of money to spend and the ability to bring his own people in. Those are luxuries Rangnick was never given.
PS: What Rangnick disappointed me in was his inability to tweak his system to make it more 'this squad' friendly. There again its a big ask that most 'bigger' managers had failed miserable in.
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