Me being a United fan has nothing to do with it. I think City will win the league.
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Arsenal's to lose. *jinx jinx jinx*
Arsenal could very well win the league, but it won't be without a few bumps in the road. Too thin a squad, with a real lack of winning experience throughout. That's just logical common sense.
If it does end up being smooth sailing all the way to the title, fair fecks, but it's the least likely of all the outcomes.
If it does end up being smooth sailing all the way to the title, fair fecks, but it's the least likely of all the outcomes.
"Second half of the season rarely works the same as the 1st in regards to points", I mean clearly 3/5 they have been similar amount of points, rarely means it doesnt happen.
I have showed sufficient proof that it happens in most seasons.
I am not saying they will get it, I was replying to the original poster that they are on course for 90+ season.
Also, there is enough evidence, go have a look at years gone by, how many teams lose the league after being top at Christmas? top after 19 games. Rarely does the team top at half way points they dont win the league.
Leicester showed that when you make winning a habit it's incredibly difficult to dislodge you from that top spot. Confidence and zero injuries to key players is a recipe for success, regardless of winning experience.
How many of those seasons had a World Cup in November?
I think this season is showing how difficult it is to revamp a winning team and maintain the same level of performance/drive.
Liverpool's new signings plus an aging midfield has affected them. City are struggling a match the insane consistency they have shown over the last 5 years.
Arsenal is fresh and loving the moment they are in...same can be said for United all be it 12 months behind the curve Arsenal are on.
Arsenal are playing without any fear/pressure at the moment, so its up to the clubs chasing them to add that pressure by getting closer. United have that chance this week...lets see what the table looks like on Monday morning.
Liverpool's new signings plus an aging midfield has affected them. City are struggling a match the insane consistency they have shown over the last 5 years.
Arsenal is fresh and loving the moment they are in...same can be said for United all be it 12 months behind the curve Arsenal are on.
Arsenal are playing without any fear/pressure at the moment, so its up to the clubs chasing them to add that pressure by getting closer. United have that chance this week...lets see what the table looks like on Monday morning.
And if we beat palace and draw/beat yous any things possible.
Okk I didn't realise World cup means we play more games in a season and the league campaign has more than 38 games.
If you cant find the data to suit your narrative, accept you are wrong.
Talk about shifting the goal post.
It's odd though: United and Arsenal fans should have no issues envisaging periods of poor form. Both sets of fans have had plenty of experience of those over the past decade.
Hell, for me, it's harder to imagine us keeping up our current form. I keep expecting a full collapse, a period in which we barely even look like a football team - that would feel scarily familiar.
The point is it’s not a normal season obviously. It’s unprecedented.
Would be 6 points IF we beat Palace and draw against Arsenal,quite honestly I am taking that but a win definitely throws it open
Oh is that why it feels like a Gary Neville playing days season, those were unprecedented too?
Will you stop being so pedantic and allow others to enjoy the season in their own way. We have Palace and Arsenal in close quarters and the thought of winning them both is exciting and would make things interesting. Can we not leave it at that?
Yeah much like City did with us in 2012 it's up to them, us and Newcastle to keep Arsenal honest for long as possible then anything can happenI think this season is showing how difficult it is to revamp a winning team and maintain the same level of performance/drive.
Liverpool's new signings plus an aging midfield has affected them. City are struggling a match the insane consistency they have shown over the last 5 years.
Arsenal is fresh and loving the moment they are in...same can be said for United all be it 12 months behind the curve Arsenal are on.
Arsenal are playing without any fear/pressure at the moment, so its up to the clubs chasing them to add that pressure by getting closer. United have that chance this week...lets see what the table looks like on Monday morning.
Sorry Neville.
People like you make it difficult for anyone to enjoy Arsenal winning.
Tbh if you read my posts, I have clearly said Arsenal are playing great football, they are this season the best footballing team, which is why they are top and deserve to be top.
Again, the way Arsenal are playing is the reason I think they will win the league, they remind me of Liverpool when they won the league, relentless.
I have posted numerous times on how good Arsenal have been, again people like you dont like to read so its fine.
Arsenal this season in most games are either 1-0 or 2-0 up at half time, which shows they are dominating games.
Who knew Arsenal had so many secret admirers.
Yeah, poster above has a strange hard on on Arsenal.
All well and good and mature to admit they're looking good, but going back and forth for hours arguing and defending them is a.....choice.
They can collapse. But they are not playing above their level, they are leading the xG table. I think they are performing at the right level unfortunately. But we have a team to beat them. If that happens, we will see how it goes.
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Haha, right.
Well, I'll not get into the myriad of things you'd need to get into to unpick that logical rat's nest of a post, but I will just add a point that I nearly included in the previous post, but then removed because on balance I thought it unlikely that it could fail to occur to anyone. But it seems that was overly optimistic.
The thing is, you don't know if Arsenal is going to win the title yet. So if you only care about the title winners' point differential, you don't know if that applies to Arsenal or not. And, even if it should be the case that the title winner generally did roughly as well in the first half as the second, that doesn't mean the same automatically applies the other way around (ie, that a team that did very well in the first half will also do well in the second half.)
Er, what? If you're playing above your level, that will also result in a higher xG and a lower xGA.....
They're not leading the xG or xPts tables though. They're also significantly overperforming their xPts (38.7 expected, 47 actual).
I expect a little bit of a mean reversion if they actually lose / draw a couple and the pressure increases.
You have not shown any meaningful proof whatsoever. In fact, you haven't even managed to give an indication you understand what the issues involved are. To say nothing of the basics of what proof means.
What are you talking about? You get to rest and we play a game whilst having to rotate and manage yellow cards.
Where did all these Arsenal fans crawl in from? It's an infestation
I noticed it too so had a look at when a few joined, weirdly the ones I clicked on joined 5-10 years ago but haven’t got 100 posts between them.
Likeable? City?
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No Shit sherlock. I said I think they will win it, not they have won it.
I mean evidence over past years is there to see, teams that are top after 19 games, generally go onto win games.
Also I love how you glossed over your comment that 5 points is substantial, ey?
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Evidence, Arsenal have the 4th best start ever to a PL campaign after 18 games. This is the reason I think they win the league.
Look at all the teams who have had the similar starts, they are all hitting around the 90 point mark
Crown them champions then I guess.
well there is evidence!!!
its very likely arsenal wins it but who would have thought that we are even in the position to talk about a title race. just win our next two please and see what it brings
Kudos to you guys - you have a great General Football forum. That is why I signed up for an account. (Personally, I don't post in the Man Utd-specific forums - those should be for supporters only.)
I can't quite get my head round Arsenal being where they are... they have a great young team and Arteta is confounding expectations but points wise they're almost doing what Liverpool and City were doing at their absolute peak, it's crazy.
For that reason despite all mathematical suggestions to the contrary I think we can catch them. Beat Palace and Arsenal (again, I think we can do this despite their form) and we'll be 3 points behind. It's with one more game played but psychologically that is going to have an impact.
I also think they will drop points in both games against City. We've got both of those games out of the way.
For that reason despite all mathematical suggestions to the contrary I think we can catch them. Beat Palace and Arsenal (again, I think we can do this despite their form) and we'll be 3 points behind. It's with one more game played but psychologically that is going to have an impact.
I also think they will drop points in both games against City. We've got both of those games out of the way.
Do you know the difference between evidence of their start and proof of probability of the following it with an as strong second half even is?
Dude, you are rambling nonsense.
I can't even...