Its a red but. At least he gets a rest. Only good thing out of it.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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Yep. If anyone has actually watched the interview (it’s on sky sports site) it’s exactly as you described.
No ffs
https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...k-ten-hag-not-happy-with-casemiro-sending-off
Ten Hag not happy about the sending off
Ten Hag not happy about the sending off
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What I imagine is that both hands implies chocking, which is violent conduct, dangerous or something similar.
I don't think it was "violent" I think he's unwise to put his hands on Hughes like that and give the reffs and easy decision to make.
Hopefully we won't need him against Leeds and Leicester
Hopefully we won't need him against Leeds and Leicester
Why send him off? The guy did nothing wrong. Never a red.
Normally a chest push like this is a yellow. It takes all context out of the question though, as, as you've said, you can give like 5 or 6 yellows based on that brawl alone and referee tend not to do that, instead opting for punishing two "original" participants, which includes the victim.
Do people really think this makes things look better?
The rule isn't "don't choke other player's neck". You can't be grabbing his collar like that with both hands either.Because referees are bad and inconsistent.
How did you manage to quote my post without reading the half that you didn't bold?
It’s a red.
Do you know what choking actually is?!Do people really think this makes things look better?
It's handbags really, but also really juvenile. A player with his know-how should be able to control himself better there and defuse the situation rather than engage with the opponents.
Other crap decisions? It's the same thing, in the exact same incident.
We're not talking about a two footed tackle in a completely different half of the game here.
It's gone from being a red card and three game ban worthy act to not even worthy of a yellow in the space of what, five seconds? With the exact same VAR officials watching the exact same multiple angles of the same incident.
His thumbs are pointing inwards towards each other and his fingers are pointing towards his back. He's got his hands around his neck, he's not got hold of his shirt, he's got his shirt trapped between his hand and his neck. You can see where his thumbs are in the other picture.
Soft as feck, not a red (for me) - regardless if it was an opponent or us. Barely a yellow, it's pretty controlled, a screenshot makes it look 10x worse though.... but it is what it is, football is soft.
Looking at some of the fan angles it looks proper soft. His hands go from pulling his collar to resting on his shoulders. Also to isolate him from everything that went in is unfair.
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VAR shits the bed again. Showing a freeze frame or the same fraction of a second in a loop (which was all the ref saw, squinting at a fecking telly screen from a couple of yards away) it does look like Casemiro is throttling him. When you see the full incident, from a few angles, it’s clear as day that there’s nothing violent about it. The sort of minor handbags that many referees wouldn’t even book someone for if it happened in front of them. Yet here we are. Fecking VAR is making such a farce of football. The worst change to happen to the game in my lifetime.
Gabby the Moron from TalkSport needs to complete his elementary school education before giving any sort of advice.
It's clear here it isn't in malice but in keeping things steady.
Can see both sides, but if Casemiro gets a red others should too. The term "violent conduct" feels wrong.
What a fecking awful decision
We just need Paul Heyman doing player introductions at Wembley for the Cup final in a few weeks.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, my name is Paul Heyman and I am the advocate for Casimiro!"
That view vindicates people saying it’s a soft red? He’s got his collar. There’s zero choking going on, no violence and almost no force.Do people really think this makes things look better?
I’d be massively surprised if the 3 game ban is upheld.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inconsistent
I don't really know how else to help you on this. Whether you think both are or both aren't, the decision is a crap and inconsistent one. Ayew not getting one is no more evidence that Casemiro shouldn't be sent off than Casemiro is evidence that Ayew should have been.
Referees and VAR do not make consistent decisions. They got the Ayew one wrong.
Agbonlahor was a nothing player and a nothing “pundit”.
The more you see it, the more it really isn't a red card at all.
Especially with the context of what everyone else was doing
Especially with the context of what everyone else was doing
There's a high res image in this thread literally showing you where his thumbs are (together, in the middle of Hughes' throat). The collar is pinned between his hands and Hughes neck. Repeatedly showing the same footage from an angle where you can only see part of Casemiro's hands isn't going to change that.
I remember Stam vs Viera himself, and Kaka vs Giggs.
The two yellows (schlupp and Antony) was the correct outcome. Yet VAR had to get involved and create a mountain out of a molehill.
That's not a red, it's a yellow at most. As someone else said it's handbags and the only real intent with the hands on both sides of the neck clearly seems to be to keep the player away not to strangle.
This is much more an argument that Ayew should have gone too than Casemiro should have stayed on, referees and VAR are just comically bad.
i mean you’re basing your opinion on a still image but ignoring a video which clearly sees him pulling him by the collar…
if you choke someone you push back against them, not pull them away.
True. I think there was a case for others to be sent off or no one sent off. If they're not going to view the entire incident and be fair, they should just let it go for the match and review/ban retroactively after seeing the referee's report.
I think United has a case to appeal and site the other offenders that got away with it. Is there any chance the FA add on additional matches for Case because it was hands on throat?
The problem is it's still the referees that are the problem. The tech would be fine if it was used sensibly.
The PGMOL are still a cabal of nitwits though, who make rules at odds with what the fans actually want to see in a game of football.
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Best angle so far?
If we lose the appeal, the ban could be extended to 4 games
Think of what your describing here and then explain to me how it’s possible to choke someone? If my thumbs are on someone’s neck and my fingers are gripping someone’s collar all i can do is pull them towards me… or just do a weird thumb push into their trachea
He was silly to engage and put himself in that position but it’s one of the softest reds I’ve seen now we’ve got a lot of different pics and angles.
It’s a hard one because if you appeal the decision and lose they could suspend him for an extra game which certainly isn’t ideal.