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That’s a fair and balanced post and agree that season was good, my username came from the Zlatan signing. Maybe the mourinho era left such a sour taste it increased my enjoyment of the ole reign, untill the end obviously.
But we both agree this season has been the best and most enjoyable, it’s nice to like everyone in the team again, Maguire being a bit iffy and even he’s not a bad character, just drives nails into me watching him play.
Just keep spreading that love and unity
Too many people raving about Ten Haag, with a +6 goal difference. I don't understand how people can say this style of play is great, we have defensive organization that does not work and barely any goals are being scored. Only reason we even have a positive goal difference is because Rashford is in the form of he's life. So why exactly are people talking about Ten Haag as some sort of untouchable god?
It's our best season in years.
He's only had one transfer window really.
I think next season we'll be very competitive
Too many people raving about Ten Haag, with a +6 goal difference. I don't understand how people can say this style of play is great, we have defensive organization that does not work and barely any goals are being scored. Only reason we even have a positive goal difference is because Rashford is in the form of he's life. So why exactly are people talking about Ten Haag as some sort of untouchable god?
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
What more could he have done,just remember how long it took Klopp/Guardiola to put their stamp on things
Too many people raving about Ten Haag, with a +6 goal difference. I don't understand how people can say this style of play is great, we have defensive organization that does not work and barely any goals are being scored. Only reason we even have a positive goal difference is because Rashford is in the form of he's life. So why exactly are people talking about Ten Haag as some sort of untouchable god?
It's a fantastic mentality.
Little things he has done, like having all the staff pose together with the League Cup, shows how classy he is. The guy has galvanised the whole club, instilled a winning mentality and helped to heal a very fractured fanbase.
Baffling to hear when we're literally on a run for scoring at least 2 goals at home for months now that we haven't had at the club since 2000Not sure if serious
Not just classy, it's brilliant leadership. I think that's what stands out the most about him so far, his ability as a leader.
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
Too many people raving about Ten Haag, with a +6 goal difference. I don't understand how people can say this style of play is great, we have defensive organization that does not work and barely any goals are being scored. Only reason we even have a positive goal difference is because Rashford is in the form of he's life. So why exactly are people talking about Ten Haag as some sort of untouchable god?
That’s a great trait to have as a manager and a person. Making your team feel apart of everything is great and helps you become successful. Also gives you the support from your team and I’m sure they know how much ETH values their hard work.Also both times he's won Manager of the Month he's made sure to pose with all his staff. He makes everyone feel included and part of the journey.
No one’s saying ETH is perfect but he’s worked miracles with this team and he’s improved so many players. He’s trying to implement a style but that won’t happen overnight. Yes this season we have been a bit reliant on rashford but that’s because we don’t have a proper number 9 who gets us goals. Rashford doesn’t score without the creativity from some of the players and the style that ETH is creating.Too many people raving about Ten Haag, with a +6 goal difference. I don't understand how people can say this style of play is great, we have defensive organization that does not work and barely any goals are being scored. Only reason we even have a positive goal difference is because Rashford is in the form of he's life. So why exactly are people talking about Ten Haag as some sort of untouchable god?
I’m sorry, I don’t remember winning a trophy that season…With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
Normally, yes. but, being able to turn around things after a drubbing against your biggest rival would also be impressive.Only this would count but I think losing 7 - 0 should automatically disqualify you from being manager of that month if I'm honest
I know right? Glad to see the back of Mourinho throwing players under the bus.Very telling quote from ETH on being unsure the fan reaction at OT after the Liverpool game:
"I was curious about that and I was pleased by the response from the crowd to the team," Ten Hag added. "From minute one they were behind the team, the team gave energy by performance and they gave it back. There is a great bond between the team and the fans and we are pleased by that."
I was struck by ETH using the term "we" here...it's a small thing, but not insignificant IMHO. I feel like the difference between ETH and so many other managers (especially some of our post-SAF ones) is that he is an authority figure to the players and demands that respect and position...but he also considers himself PART of the team. He's in it with his players, and the players feel that.
It's a subtle thing, but can often be a huge part of a manger getting through bad periods. Players don't feel a separation between themselves and the manager. There's no scapegoating. Everyone is in it together and good and bad performances are on everyone...not just the players. It can go miles towards long term success and not losing the dressing room.
We are scoring 2+ goals almost every game. We have a lot of clean sheets. The win ratio is about 70%. Our football is exciting to watch and we continue to improve.Too many people raving about Ten Haag, with a +6 goal difference. I don't understand how people can say this style of play is great, we have defensive organization that does not work and barely any goals are being scored. Only reason we even have a positive goal difference is because Rashford is in the form of he's life. So why exactly are people talking about Ten Haag as some sort of untouchable god?
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
fair enough, did seem far fetched.
My fave time watching United since Fergie is by far this season, and before that it’s Mourinho/Pogba/ Zlatan’s first season, by some distance too. We won cups that season, drew so many games we should’ve easily won and felt like we were going somewhere.
The Ole/Phelan honeymoon was great, so much fun, but even that turned into an absolute clusterfeck for the final 10 games or so, a sign of something that was to happen each and every season under them.
Always felt we were running in quick sand with them after that and that every good run would inevitably end with a run of relegation form. The whole thing felt so “Spursy”.
Celebrating finishing top 4 itself is a bit pathetic tbh.
If we win a trophy, I'll celebrate that moment - but this won't be a season I look back at fondly. Another one to forget it ever happened in the first place.
hang on, if - say - we finish 3rd and win 2 trophies, given where we were in the summer, you will want to forget this season?
3rd may aswell be 4th or 2nd. It’s nothing to celebrate but more of a relief that we’ve made it into the champions league for next year and help signing better players.
winning the carling cup is a stepping stone to hopefully better things, it’s hardly a trophy to look back on and celebrate.
losing 7-0 to Liverpool is shit, no matter how much you want to gloss over it with the carling cup
OK, but you are answering a question I never asked. I'll ask it again clearly, and you can answer clearly - if you wanna.
If we were to finish third, plus win the League Cup and one other of the FA or UEFA cups would you want to forget this season?
yes. It’s not one that would be looked back on fondly.
it’s a stepping stone season we are doing well in, you’re putting a lot of ifs in to make a point and then acting a dick.
as we are, we’ve won a league cup and hopefully look good for top four (which is great progress) while having a few hammerings. I guess many look back on the last time we won the Europa league as a forgettable season.
We got pasted by Liverpool, you can try and hide that with as many what if we win this and that as you want to try and hide it.
edit to add: in five/ten years time and someone Says feck remember that 7-0 drubbing against liverpool, the response would likely be, yeah feck remembering that, was a good stepping stone season. Not yeah fond memories of that year winning the league cup
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
With the current point average of 1.96 we are looking to end the season with 74 points. Which is the exact same point total that we had with Ole in the 2020/2021 season. Which happens to also be the season where we lost a European final. To me it looks like we are about on par with that. Which was, at the time terrible, and the manager was out of he's depth?
This is such a fecking idiotic take. We finished last season in 6th place with 58 points. 58. And crashed out of both domestic cups early and lost against a mediocre Atletico side in the last 16 in the CL. The entire club was a complete shambles, which is why hardly anyone predicted we would finish in the top 4 this season, let alone win a trophy.
Ten Hag has already won us a trophy, is still in the FA cup and the EL, and has us in a solid 3rd place in the table. Sure, it's not all perfect yet, but if you're negative after the season we've had so far you can feck right off mate. Makes me think you're an oppo poster and not a United fan tbh.
wowI can agree with you on alot of these points and there are alot of positives, but to lose 6-3 at the Etihad and then get trashed 7-0 at Anfield shows a naivety in the big games and that is quite worrying. Then when you then factor in the points tally, the goal difference, i am not sure we are on the right track at all. Hopefully Ten Haag will learn alot from these shambles. But until then I feel he is out of he's depth, especially against the great managers like Guardiola and Klopp.
Finishing second wasn't terrible then, nobody expected us to win the title. Terrible was what happened next.
Also that was Ole's best season, whereas this is ETH's first season.
Ole hasn't won anything while now we already have the Carabao Cup and we still have chances for other 2 cups.
Yes, show me where I called it a disappointment. And then you can also show me where I said the season with ole were good memories.Here is the conversation with @Zlatan 7:
So a season where we finished 3rd and won 2 cups would not be a season to look back on fondly - he'd want to forget it. Whereas, a long run of away wins in empty stadiums, and getting beaten in the final of the Europa Cup, are raised as evidence of how good things once were under Ole!?
Liverpool are on 45 trophies and we're on 43, so if we win FA cup and EL, we're back level
I can agree with you on alot of these points and there are alot of positives, but to lose 6-3 at the Etihad and then get trashed 7-0 at Anfield shows a naivety in the big games and that is quite worrying. Then when you then factor in the points tally, the goal difference, i am not sure we are on the right track at all. Hopefully Ten Haag will learn alot from these shambles. But until then I feel he is out of he's depth, especially against the great managers like Guardiola and Klopp.
I laughed at one of your posts earlier where you claimed all your posts in here were all top notch and thought how modest of you but that was a good un, and I probably agree with all of it except one part, I think there are people who have a serious dislike or hate towards ole, and if not that then a serious lack of respect. I just assume they’re kids with no idea of United history, there’s a reason Ole has a banner up at old Trafford, whether he ultimately failed as manager or not.I wanted Jose, and his first season was pretty good in all honesty. He brought in some big name players and appeared to be getting us back on track. His second season wasn't great, but not terrible either, although cracks started to appear. He lost the plot in his third season and became a monumental wanker.
When Ole came in, he done an amazing job as an interim and really lifted the dark cloud that was hanging over the club. The problem is this: we were promised a DOF and a club restructure at the end of Ole's interim period. Most were buzzing with Ole here but were also looking forward to a modern, progressive manager taking the reigns in the summer. Ultimately, the club took the easy way out and appointed Ole, knowing fan sentiment would keep him a popular choice, even with no success.
It was clear when by the time he got the permanent gig, that his initial run was nothing more than a 'new manager bounce' (albeit a fantastic one). The PSG result got him the job, and it shows the fecking ridiculous thinking from our club. But, that was to be expected under the Woodeard era. The next season was absolutely diabolical up until Bruno's arrival. Then, we hit form, and went on a great run. I will say this, though: our football during that run was still sloppy and disjointed despite the revisionism. It never looked sustainable, but again, it was fun especially the form of Bruno, Martial, Rashford and Greenwood. Again, it was ultimately just another run with no improvements in our tactical play etc, which again, looked unsustainable.
I found his whole tenure reeked of mediocrity and fans blatantly lowered their standards, just to eh, look like superior fans. It was a weird time on here, and most thought Ole wasn't good enough, but felt more strongly towards his condescending fans. Remember no one could say 'patterns of play' without being derided, despite it being actual footballing terminology? Remember when every other oppo manager thread was plagued with horse shite about how they're only flavour of the month etc? Remember people being gaslight into saying minor good runs were amazing feats for the club? As I said, it was fecking weird.
I also found his tenure stressful as I sometimes prescribed to the notion that he was getting us somewhere, but I never really believed it. What ETH has done looks like actual progress and like it's sustainable and will get us back to big time. I find the snidey comments by some since Sunday, to be fecking farcical. As you alluded to: Ole's reign is measured on how people feel about it and it's not measured on any tangible metrics such as trophies. That in itself, shows how small-time we let ourselves become. It was a wasted 3-years and I blame the Board, and not the under-qualified employee that they employed. No one, absolutely no United fan hates Ole, but they sure as shit hate his fan boys.
I can agree with you on alot of these points and there are alot of positives, but to lose 6-3 at the Etihad and then get trashed 7-0 at Anfield shows a naivety in the big games and that is quite worrying. Then when you then factor in the points tally, the goal difference, i am not sure we are on the right track at all. Hopefully Ten Haag will learn alot from these shambles. But until then I feel he is out of he's depth, especially against the great managers like Guardiola and Klopp.
I literally just quoted you. I asked: "If we were to finish third, plus win the League Cup and one other of the FA or UEFA cups would you want to forget this season?"Yes, show me where I called it a disappointment.
yes. It’s not one that would be looked back on fondly.
Are you sure you want to do this? You said, on this thread 'I loved Ole as a manager', and when I asked why you reeled off a load of reasons - including such things as the run of away wins and reaching the Europa final. So these are the reasons why you loved him as manager, but you wouldn't class them as good memories?! remind me again why you loved him as manager then?And then you can also show me where I said the season with ole were good memories.
We lost all 4 games against City and Liverpool last season - comprehensively and embarrassingly. He's won us 3/6 points against both teams this season, and both wins were deserved. Sure, the performances at Etihad and Anfield were atrocious, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Stop whining like a bitch.
I literally just quoted you. I asked: "If we were to finish third, plus win the League Cup and one other of the FA or UEFA cups would you want to forget this season?"
To which you replied:
So let me get this right, you would want to forget it, you wouldn't look back on it fondly, but it wouldn't be a disappointment? OK
Are you sure you want to do this? You said, on this thread 'I loved Ole as a manager', and when I asked why you reeled off a load of reasons - including such things as the run of away wins and reaching the Europa final. So these are the reasons why you loved him as manager, but you wouldn't class them as good memories?! remind me again why you loved him as manager then?
This is so confusing.