[DomesticTadpole]

Exactly, 8 points clear I cant believe what I'm hearing we will come third easy

Spurs and Newcastle have to play each other and we have to play both away. I am not too worried. Think apart from Arsenal a lot of the teams at the top are struggling for consistant form.

 

[Maticmaker]

Hard day at the office!
Ref was unbelievable, don't think he awarded anything to United in the first half, missed a number of handballs, the only thing he got right was the sending off. Even though Casemiro won the ball and didn't injure the opposition player, he was showing his full set of studs and that is a red card!
Prowse missed with one of his specials and David pulled off a couple of excellent saves, Martinez was fantastic MOTM.
Sancho looked out of sorts and Antony is.... well its hard to
say, but he's not a team player in my opinion, he has some great skills, but a limited range of options because of his over reliance on his left foot.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

If the tackle by Casemiro is a red then the tackle on Garnacho is at least a yellow and a penalty. In one case the player came off injured.

 

[SouthMancRed]

Case -
10 Aug - 31 Dec, 28 games, 0 reds, 5 yellows.
3 Jan - 12 Mar, 16 games, 2 reds, 6 yellows.
Makes you wonder if his first season in English football plus the World Cup is catching up on him or has he become a target for refs. I know which one I'd go with.

 

[tombombadil]

I nearly had a moment where I thought it might have been worth landing one on the ref to be fair.

You and me both. Urgh ..

 

[Castia]

Case -
10 Aug - 31 Dec, 28 games, 0 reds, 5 yellows.
3 Jan - 12 Mar, 16 games, 2 reds, 6 yellows.
Makes you wonder if his first season in English football plus the World Cup is catching up on him or has he become a target for refs. I know which one I'd go with.

Ironically the bans have given him plenty of rest since the WC.

Absolutely shite result this and the fact he’s been sent off again and facing a 4 game ban is just another shambles to deal with. Pissed off about this these are literally bottom of the league and we’ve fecking blown it again I’m fuming

Newcastle away coming up they could pull back about 8 points in 3 games if they win…not good enough.

 

[tombombadil]

I haven't seen Pep, Klopp nor Conte get a ban for some of the crap they have said about referees in pressers or during matches. Banning managers may have been a thing under the SAF-Mourinho-Wenger triumvirate, but not anymore.

It's a tight rope. Managers tend to be careful these days and avoid implying anything deliberate and incompetence.

 

[croadyman]

Bar the scousers result has been bad for us

 

[git_united]

It's a tight rope. Managers tend to be careful these days and avoid implying anything deliberate and incompetence.

Take the ban/fine and apologize but the seed will have been planted. This is getting ridiculous now.

 

[b20times]

Got a fight on for top four now, we should have put Southampton away before cas got sent off.
He just has to take his medicine.

 

[Red_Aaron]

I was pleased we went all out with the line up, at home to the bottom side is the right time to do it. Unfortunately once case went off we were without a recognised midfielder and it all fell apart.

I think ETH got it wrong with his subs, Scot and Fred should've come on together so we could at least have tried to establish some control in the middle. Soton bossed the second half really and for me the worst part was we showed little to no patience or composure in our attacking play, whenever we won the ball we'd turn it over again attempting something high risk. With cooler heads we could've still controlled the game even with 10 men

At least we managed to defend reasonably well this time and didn't capitulate

Very frustrating game, very little went our way today. I definitely think the schedule has caught up with us - even with 11 we've looked leggy for long periods the past 4-5 games

 

[croadyman]

Crappy result on 3 fronts today

Rivals gaining ground
Casa red
Garnacho leaving ground on crutches

 

[tombombadil]

Take the ban/fine and apologize but the seed will have been planted. This is getting ridiculous now.

I don't blame EtH for it. I can totally understand the frustration. I just hope it works.

 

[Mou Mou Land]

Crappy result on 3 fronts today

Rivals gaining ground
Casa red
Garnacho leaving ground on crutches

Four fronts - one might not like it, but ETH's tactics and timing of substitutions have to be looked at. I know most see him as the new Messiah, but there are some strange decisions at times.

 

[croadyman]

Four fronts - one might not like it, but ETH's tactics and timing of substitutions have to be looked at. I know most see him as the new Messiah, but there are some strange decisions at times.

What should he have done differently

 

[Galactico]

Disappointed with Sancho today. He added very little threat again. This is against the weakest team in the league. If he can’t shine against these lot, who will he shine against? Weghorst also just isn’t the clinical finisher we need in that position. Seems to try hard and want him to do well but don’t see it working out past this loan spell.

 

[noodlehair]

Case -
10 Aug - 31 Dec, 28 games, 0 reds, 5 yellows.
3 Jan - 12 Mar, 16 games, 2 reds, 6 yellows.
Makes you wonder if his first season in English football plus the World Cup is catching up on him or has he become a target for refs. I know which one I'd go with.

Andre Mariner sent him off from a VAR chair both times. Today you COULD argue is a red if it wasn't for the fact they let people off the exact same thing every other week.

The first one he did nothing wrong and Mariner spent 4 minutes inventing a reason to send him off (because that's a perfectly normal and not at all dodgy way to officiate in the premier league it seems)

It's reached a point where i just think something needs to be done about the officiating and it probably needs externally investigating or taking over by a completely different body. Casemiro being banned for nearly a quarter of a season for an accident and grabbing someone's collar is a testament to the state its in rather than anything to do with his discipline.

We've had players both for and against do worse things multiple times this season without even a card being brandished

Refereeing in football has never been great since it always seems to attract the least suited people for it, but it's never been anywhere near as bad domestically as it has been the last 2-3 years. Nearly every PL game something is happening involving the officials that in any other sport would cause match fixing allegations. I now also find with European games they're better to watch as a direct result of the officials, as you know the official might just be a general lunatic or get something wrong, rather than inventing a completely new rule mid game or actively seeking to influence it.

I'm sorry but it's not a coincidence at this point that this shite keeps happening in PL and FA Cup games yet every other football platform seems to be largely free of it.

 

[noodlehair]

Also main thing I take from today is that after last week we were put straight back into a situation where our heads could have gone or we start feeling sorry for ourselves, and rather than fold we dug in and could even have still won.

Not saying it was a great performance but we at least clawed back a bit of character.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Exactly, 8 points clear I cant believe what I'm hearing we will come third easy

12 games left, we're on 50 points, so 6 wins and 3 draws should be more than enough for 3 rd.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Disappointed with Sancho today. He added very little threat again. This is against the weakest team in the league. If he can’t shine against these lot, who will he shine against? Weghorst also just isn’t the clinical finisher we need in that position. Seems to try hard and want him to do well but don’t see it working out past this loan spell.

Neither are good enough to start for us. Sancho is a player who could generate some funds but no club will match those wages so he will remain an overpaid onepaced substitute until his contract expires.

 

[always_hoping]

12 games left, we're on 50 points, so 6 wins and 3 draws should be more than enough for 3 rd.

Have gone through the remaining fixtures and i reckon both Newcastle and Liverpool will finish on 71 points. So if I'm correct on those predictions Man United will need at least 22 points in remaining fixtures to get top 4 (taking the poor scoring difference into account)

3 Premier league games without Casemiro is troublesome as simply no like for like replacement for him. A number of tough away games to play yet and how much of hindrance will it be to stay in the Europa league? Trying to win on a Sunday against rested team is rarely easy.

 

[Tom Cato]

It appears handball in the penalty box now only applies if you perform a volleyball smash or a two handed serve.

 

[2 man midfield]

Only just seen the penalty incident, it’s as much a pen as Liverpool’s yesterday

 

[darko]

10 men vs 13 (ref + var). Not too bad to get a draw

I'd say the same. Any so called supporters blaming Casemiro or any of the players are just a Judas. This was down to scandalous officiating.

 

[Sandikan]

Only just seen the penalty incident, it’s as much a pen as Liverpool’s yesterday

Should be more of one really. The man in their game was back to the ball and pretty much point blank.
This guy had no excuse, facing it, and miles off it should have given loads of time to not handle it.

 

[Waynne]

I had us losing this. Not happy with a draw but better than losing to them.

Unforunate with Casemiro and Garnacho.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Have gone through the remaining fixtures and i reckon both Newcastle and Liverpool will finish on 71 points. So if I'm correct on those predictions Man United will need at least 22 points in remaining fixtures to get top 4 (taking the poor scoring difference into account)

3 Premier league games without Casemiro is troublesome as simply no like for like replacement for him. A number of tough away games to play yet and how much of hindrance will it be to stay in the Europa league? Trying to win on a Sunday against rested team is rarely easy.

If Liverpool carry on at their current points per game rate they'll end up on 61 points, other than against us I'm not seeing any real improvement from them now, if there is it'll be by a few points, and not 10, they also have City, Chelsea, and Arsenal to come in their next 3 PL fixtures.

Newcastle if they continue as their current season form would end on 67 points, they have United, Arsenal, Spurs, and Chelsea still to play, and after playing above themselves early in the season, seem to have been very average for a while now, today included, so it's hard to see them improving on what they have done already.

If we carry on with our current point rate we'll get 73 points, and don't have any of Liverpool, City, or Arsenal to play still, so 70 points + would seem a fairly logical return for us now, and I'd be a surprise if that's not enough for 3 rd.

 

[DrRodo]

I know im with the minority here and i think the red for Cas was fair (reckless play with studs up, despite bouncing from the ball still made contact in the rivals chin, potential for serious harm, etc) really i don't care im not interested on arguin this one, i accept many might not see it this way

But

Following the same logic, it's absurd that we didn't get a penalty in the garnacho tackle (reckless play, despite making contact with the ball, it could had injured garnacho bad). At least should had got a foul. We are not even asking for a red card.

Fecking ref and the VAR with double standards, they don't even care about covering it up.

 

[justsomebloke]

Don't have a problem with the Casemiro red or the lack of penalty on the Bella-Kotchap hands (come on people, where else is that arm going to be). But I really don't get how it's not a penalty on the Garnacho situation. Sure he's on the ball first, but so was Casemiro.

 

[Matt851]

The refereeing was bad but so was the team selection. Reminds of the liverpool game a bit where we started with a weird team. Anyone who has watched united regularly could have predicted bruno playing deeper wouldnt work. Its like ETH underestimated southampton.

One of the fears expressed about casemiro when we signed him was that he could struggle if left with too much ground to cover, and thats exactly what todays setup left him with

 

[redmanx]

If the tackle by Casemiro is a red then the tackle on Garnacho is at least a yellow and a penalty. In one case the player came off injured.

The ref was very, very inconsistent, to put it nicely; his peformance needs looking at by his superiors.

 

[redmanx]

I know im with the minority here and i think the red for Cas was fair (reckless play with studs up, despite bouncing from the ball still made contact in the rivals chin, potential for serious harm, etc) really i don't care im not interested on arguin this one, i accept many might not see it this way

But

Following the same logic, it's absurd that we didn't get a penalty in the garnacho tackle (reckless play, despite making contact with the ball, it could had injured garnacho bad). At least should had got a foul. We are not even asking for a red card.

Fecking ref and the VAR with double standards, they don't even care about covering it up.

In game VAR should be scrapped and only used during retrospective analysis.

 

[Denis79]

Think we did ok considering everything.

 

[Hughes35]

Haven't seen the game again. But watching on the TV I thought Casemiro deserved to go unfortunately.

I do think we shoukd of had a penalty for handball though.

 

[AndyMUFC]

I can see why Casemiro got sent off to be honest watching again. He gave the referee a decision to make and needs to cut it out.

Shit result and annoying that he is again missing for 4 games when we're so thin on the ground in midfield but considering the circumstances we didn't lose so will just have to move on from this one.

 

[tjb]

Haven't seen the game again. But watching on the TV I thought Casemiro deserved to go unfortunately.

I do think we shoukd of had a penalty for handball though.

I think we should have actually had a pen for the tackle on Fernandes, the trailing foot caught him

 

[tentan]

Players getting tired, too many games.

 

[Suedesi]

Well done Anthony Taylor, you corrupt scumbag!

 

[Garethw]

We just don’t create or score enough goals. ETH needs to sort this out and fast.

 

[Strelok]

Watch that again and you'd see the keeper did tackle his leg. With the speed he was going of course he gonna fail. No way it's a dive.

For me it's not the red card or the hand ball. Both I can live with. But this I simply can't understand. Regardless of he's going to score or not the ball was still in play, the keeper did tackle him inside the penalty area. How the feck that was not a pen? Where was VAR? I've seen so many exact same situations where pens were given.

I was looking for this clip but couldn't find it yesterday. The keeper clearly caught Rashford's left leg with his knee. Which caused Rashford's left leg to hit his right leg and made him fall. Inside the penalty area on a 1vs1. The ball was still in play. You absolutely could not find any reason whatsoever for this to not be a pen. And VAR didn't even bother to check it