I don't disagree with most of any of your posts about on this thread, but do you think being clutch is an American thing?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
the description is. Possibly the closest thing is ‘bottle’ in English football parlance, but not exactly.
Penalties have an average conversion rate of 78%. So even if you score 90%, you only get 12 goals more out of 100 penalties.
Problem with Kane would be pens is all he’s scoring for England these days
I mean the near consensus among many also seems to be that Ramos is the greatest CB ever or among the top 3 which is also silly.
Rooney was a much better all round footballer than Kane. He delivered in high pressure big title/trophy moments, consistently. He was also one of the most complete footballers I've ever seen - they could have trained him for any position bar GK and CB as a teenager and he'd have excelled. And he had a wonderful combination of top class mentality, end product and contribution to the team's buildup / style of play. Statistically I'm sure he'd benefit from the modern day game being more focused with his on off the ball work as in his time he would play multiple roles within games often at left or right back building up or hassling and harrying someone.
I don't really watch other leagues enough anymore to say. Up to our scouts to prove their worth.
The ten year olds I teach could put together a more coherent argument than this.
If Kane comes here then he hits over 100 goals within the space of 3-4 seasons.
Deliberately dismissing the point that he plays for Spurs, which explains his lack of individual success, reduces any credibility you have in this fight.
Fair enough.
If Kane joins us this summer and we win a trophy or two with him, would you say he has a winning mentality then?
Are people really blaming Kane, the player who has carried an average Spurs team almost single-handedly for years, for their lack of success? They'd have been midtable without him.
It's like blaming Bryan Robson for not winning the league with United in the 80s. It's just weird to blame their best player for the failings of the whole club.
It's like blaming Bryan Robson for not winning the league with United in the 80s. It's just weird to blame their best player for the failings of the whole club.
Only when Kane joins United and wins the league cup will we be able to confirm his winning mentality is on par with Wout Weghorst
All those goals in Kanes career and I'm not sure I could remember 10 of them if my life depended on it. Weird that
Now when I think of it, yeah. Probably because he has nothing to show for those goals. No silverware. Just a silver euro medal.
It's why IMO Kane won't have anything like the legacy of other players. He'll be forgotten as a footballer a decade after he retires. At the moment he doesn't have the medals, the crucial and/or memorable goals, or the charisma to stay in people's minds even that far down the line.
I just can't picture him at United. As a footballer, yes he'd improve us of course, but he strikes me as a person that is deep down terrified of going into a dressing room filled with pedigree players, and he's looking for any excuse to stay in his comfortable bubble at Spurs. A new manager, any new manager, will probably give him that excuse.
A) the team was not average. They made the CL final remember? How many average teams make the Champions League final? And they beat Ajax without him. Then he forced his way back into the team and stunk the place out in the final.
B) At the time Robson was at his best, Liverpool and Everton had better teams. But he still, when fit, helped United win trophies, even before Ferguson got there. Comparing him to Kane is laughable, frankly.
Did Newcastle fans forget Shearer?
Spurs fans will remember him and his legacy will be as a Spurs player and England player.
Re others, really who cares. Except GOAT players most will be forgotten by other club fans, unless there is some argument about player quality or best player in his position.
No, people remember him because he won a title with Blackburn - do try and keep up. That is what he is best remembered for obviously. Newcastle fans no longer even know about him because he failed to win anything when he was there.
Spurs fans will not forget Kane, obviously. I was talking about his wider legacy in the game
Yeah I guess nobody will remember England's all time record goal scorer, Spurs' all time record goal scorer and most likely the all time record goal scorer in Premiership history.
If only he won a league cup or something just to prove he was a winner. Nobody forgets Igor Stepanovs for example, premiership league winning legend for Arsenal.
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Ask 100 fans to name their top 5 PL strikers of all time. The obvious names will be there but how many lists will Shearer appear on? Not that many I suspect. Why not, he was fantastic? The answer is that trophies matter
Some people really see things in binary.
Won some league Cup - winner mentality. It's like these posters are there in dressing room and knows how driven a particular individual is.
Levy blocking move means Kane doesn't care about trophies and lacks some "winning" mentality.
Shearer is in that top 5 list without a doubt. In fact he is likely in the top 3 for most people. You dropped the ball with this argument mate.
Whenever Caf creates this discussion, Shearer always ends up in most all time PL 11. If someone thinks Shearer isn't top 5 CF in PL, then they should just give up watching football and just check wiki honors to name CF with most trophies.
Yeah possibly, but maybe not. Rooney, Henry, Ronaldo, Drogba, Ruud, Aguero would IMO feature more frequently in people's thoughts than Shearer, or in time, Kane. More memorable moments. More trophies. These are the things that stick.
The only striker I put ahead of Shearer is Henry. In terms of pure goal scoring Shearer is the best though with Kane coming up behind.
Shearer was an incredible striker he really was and anyone thinking he isn't at least a top 5 of all-time in the premier League must be too young to have watched him in his prime.
So let me get this straight. He gets zero credit for getting them to the final, but all the blame for losing to a very good Liverpool team in a one-off game? Got it.
As about 50 of his England goals have been pens surely you can remember a pen?
Surely even the most one eyed Chelsea fan can't put Drogba above Shearer.
There's a reason he went for a world record fee in his prime.
He scored one goal in the KO stages (R16 v Dortmund). Son scored 4 goals in the KO stages, including 3 against City in the quarters. Moura scored a hattrick in the key semi final match that got them to the final including the winning goal and Kane didn't play in that game. Moura was rewarded by being benched for an ineffective Kane in the final. But sure, Kane 'got them there' and has been 'carrying that average Spurs side' as someone else said.....
Some really bizarre views on Kane. The guy is a genuine World Class player.
Not to be misconstrued here. I remember all of Shearers career, even the heartbreak when he chose Newcastle over United. I know full well how good he was.
This'll teach me to get into a debate about something I'm not particularly passionate about. I'm hungover.
My only real point here is that lack of trophies harm legacies. We'll see that over time with Kane I believe, if that is how his career ends up.
I remember when he signed that last big contract at Spurs and thinking what a huge mistake it was. What a waste. He could have won a lot. He can still win stuff for sure but he could have had an epic trophy haul.
With every post of yours I could see Kane turning from Harry Kane to Emile heskey to Carlton palmer right infront of my eyes.
Your ten year olds could do with a better teacher, with all due respect.
Explain exactly how it is impossible to win trophies with Spurs, the sixth most successful club (by total trophies) in English football history, who last won a major trophy shortly before Kane started playing for them (i.e. not in ancient history)?
What? He'd be on nearly everyone's.
What is this? You want an explanation for that?
Not my intention at all. He'll go down as a PL and England great. But he's below the very best strikers of his generation in the world IMO for the reasons I've stated.
They certainly do. Especially when you expand the judgment out from the PL to the world.
Let me ask again then. If Kane joins us this summer and wins a trophy with us, would you then consider he has winning mentality?
The League Cup? No. The Champions League or the league? Sure, if he's a big part of it. But I don't think United will get back to the top of the tree domestically and in Europe if he joins and they build the team around him. Just a feeling I have, I could be wrong. I don't think he's that guy. The best thing would be if he goes and then we can see it in action.