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Apparently that was all inconsequential to Saudi Arabia finally being allowed to buy Newcasltle. Reportedly all it took was a text from MBS to Boris and Bojo leaned on the Premier League to push through the takeover and approve it.
That supposed text was sent on 27th June 2020, with the takeover being approved 7th October 2021.
Saudi crown prince asked Boris Johnson to intervene in Newcastle United bid | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian

So I'm not sure the timelines quite stack up there?

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The thing here is that Manchester United fans actually seem remarkably placid about this whole situation.

Contrast this for instance with the attitude of the Newcastle United fans during that 2020-2021 period where Newcastle United's takeover by PIF was being blocked by the Premier League. In response, Newcastle United's fans organised multiple pressure movements, including a fan-funded legal challenge to the Premier League for alleged anti-competitive behaviour, mass email campaigns to their MPs, sustained harassment of the Premier League's sponsors, in-person protests at the Premier League headquarters in London. All of which were actually pretty successful towards putting pressure on the Premier League to eventually approve their takeover.

Point being, Elliot Group would likely be highly sensitive to similar pressure tactics from fans, yet I can't see any such attempts being made by fans to utilise their potential influence.
That was all after a bid had been accepted and while the premier league were considering approval though wasn't it? We are not in that position yet, we don't know whose bid will be accepted, if any. Maybe when we do, and if it looks necessary, protests will come along. If it's Qatar I expect protests against at any rate (not that I would agree with them personally).
 

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I never said any of that. I just said it's more likely that Labour will take a stand against human rights abusers than the Tories. Which is obviously true.

Doesn't mean they will. But it could happen in the future, you'd be naive to think it can't.
And that's the potential problem with this from the PL, it's based on current UK foreign policy, and who the government decides to sanction. And for even more uncertainty it is dependent on the foreign policy of other countries. 14 months ago, Putin would have passed this test.

It's not really based on human rights, but on whether human rights abusers are on good terms with the government.
 

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Glad someone noticed and called this out. Been lurking in this thread and came up with 2 observations: Team Qatar, whose main issue with SJR is doubts that he can service our debt comfortably or properly run our club. And then there's Team SJR, who seemed to throw accusations on Jassim and the Qatari state left and right, with wild comparisons and without any legit sources. I never knew there were so many ME and royal family experts in this forum.

By the way, for those who kept on screaming about the lack of knowledge on Jassim's source of funds: Is it possible that Jassim has already disclosed his proof AND source of funds to Raine Group privately and that Raine is fully satisfied and hence invited Jassim to make a bid? Does Jassim actually owe it to United fans to show where he got his funds from? This is a legit question because I clearly do not know the proper procedure and I certainly am not going to pretend to be an expert.
I'm sure Raine is satisfied that he has the funds, and he doesn't owe it to United fans to explain the source of funds in any legal sense. But it sure would be a lot more transparent if he did, because it would reveal if he is indebted to someone over this potential purchase or not. Say what you will about the hardship of the club under Glazer ownership, but due to public financials reporting in the UK and news media stories, as fans we always knew exactly what was owed by the club and to whom. That's not nothing in my opinion.

On thing confuses me is that the parasites are looking to walk away and leave the eye watering debt they have accumulated behind them, still on the club.

Surely any bidder / interested party would just say "if thats the case, deduct £980b (or whatever its at now) off the final price and we're sorted"? and that can take care of the debt problem.

Im no financial expert, but surely when buying, inheriting this amount of debt surely has a massive sway on how much you would pay
Yes, it is taken into account when you value a company. Enterprise Value is what you assess a company to be worth without any debt or cash, then to get to Equity Value (what you actually want to pay) you subtract debt and add whatever cash the company currently has.

Media reports have not made it clear if the bids quoted or the Glazer demands are referring to Enterprise Value or Equity Value.
 

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They made no promises. Kept their cards close to their chest and barely said anything to anyone.
I do remember them saying that a £20 million transfer budget would be provided every summer with additional funds being made available for special talent situations.
 

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I do remember them saying that a £20 million transfer budget would be provided every summer with additional funds being made available for special talent situations.
Oh yeah. Good point. Are you sure that promise was made before the takeover? My memory is their first statement only coming out after the deal was done.
 

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it sure would be a lot more transparent if he did, because it would reveal if he is indebted to someone over this potential purchase or not.
This is a good word, and an excellent point. There is no transparency around the Jassim bid, and with all the secrecy you can’t help but feel they have something to hide.
Be upfront, put your cards on the table and let’s move forwards! Something as monumental for the club as its future ownership and security of funding shouldn’t be such a guessing game!
 

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That supposed text was sent on 27th June 2020, with the takeover being approved 7th October 2021.
Saudi crown prince asked Boris Johnson to intervene in Newcastle United bid | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian

So I'm not sure the timelines quite stack up there?

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Who knows mate. I just remember the takeover being approved very quickly with no inkling it was happening and a few PL clubs being upset they had no idea it was going through.
 
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The thing here is that Manchester United fans actually seem remarkably placid about this whole situation.

Contrast this for instance with the attitude of the Newcastle United fans during that 2020-2021 period where Newcastle United's takeover by PIF was being blocked by the Premier League. In response, Newcastle United's fans organised multiple pressure movements, including a fan-funded legal challenge to the Premier League for alleged anti-competitive behaviour, mass email campaigns to their MPs, sustained harassment of the Premier League's sponsors, in-person protests at the Premier League headquarters in London. All of which were actually pretty successful towards putting pressure on the Premier League to eventually approve their takeover.

Point being, Elliot Group would likely be highly sensitive to similar pressure tactics from fans, yet I can't see any such attempts being made by fans to utilise their potential influence.
I don't think the majority of the Qatari cheerleaders have an MP. Maybe those guys who soiled bedsheets the other week.

Apparently that was all inconsequential to Saudi Arabia finally being allowed to buy Newcasltle. Reportedly all it took was a text from MBS to Boris and Bojo leaned on the Premier League to push through the takeover and approve it.
Yep and now James Cleverly is pretending to be outraged about the Russians taking an American journalist, yet Newcastle United's owners have literally murdered an American journalist.
 

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69% Glazer shares to be sold and our new ownership to be structured thusly:

Jim Ratcliffe 50%
Elliott Investment Management 25%
Joel Glazer 12.5%
Avram Glazer 12.5%

Dreams can come true. Look at me babe, I'm with you. You know you gotta have hope. You know you gotta be strong :(
 

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69% Glazer shares to be sold and our new ownership to be structured thusly:

Jim Ratcliffe 50%
Elliott Investment Management 25%
Joel Glazer 12.5%
Avram Glazer 12.5%

Dreams can come true. Look at me babe, I'm with you. You know you gotta have hope. You know you gotta be strong :(
Based on???

Also, what’s Lisa Stansfield got to do with the price of fish?!!

Weird post.
 

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I'm looking forward to the Qatari bid being successful, not only for the benefits it may bring to the team, but also because it will frighten the FA to death. It will mean that they actually have to be seen to punish City for repeated breaches of the rules; if not, they merely set a template for us and Newcastle to follow the same business practices as them.
The authorities will probably decide that this is the time to finally take a stand and block the sale. Enough is enough.
 

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And that's the potential problem with this from the PL, it's based on current UK foreign policy, and who the government decides to sanction. And for even more uncertainty it is dependent on the foreign policy of other countries. 14 months ago, Putin would have passed this test.

It's not really based on human rights, but on whether human rights abusers are on good terms with the government.
Exactly.

Nobody knows what the future holds. Corbyn was close to power in 2017 and that would've been transformative for Foreign policy (and not in a good way, mostly).
 

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This is an important moment in the club's history. I hope we don't get a new owner we will be moaning about for the next couple of decades.
 

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This is an important moment in the club's history. I hope we don't get a new owner we will be moaning about for the next couple of decades.
I don’t think ANY new owner will satisfy the fan base.
We can’t even all get behind a player like Rashford, a manc lad, youth prospect red through and through who spends his spare time highlighting and fighting social injustice. New owners have no chance! :D
 

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69% Glazer shares to be sold and our new ownership to be structured thusly:

Jim Ratcliffe 50%
Elliott Investment Management 25%
Joel Glazer 12.5%
Avram Glazer 12.5%

Dreams can come true. Look at me babe, I'm with you. You know you gotta have hope. You know you gotta be strong :(
There are a couple of problems with this. First, it leaves the Glazers in complete control because of their Class B shares, so why would SJR want to put in more then $2B to let them keep running the club?

Secondly, what do Elliott get out of their billion pound investment? Nothing until a potential sale in 10-20 years or whenever SJR decides to sell. Doesn’t really sound likely to me as their business model is usually more aggressive.
 

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Surely we'll be hearing something or other soon? Even if it's a 3rd round of bidding. Seems to have gone very quiet, except for lots or hearsay and speculation
 

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Surely we'll be hearing something or other soon? Even if it's a 3rd round of bidding. Seems to have gone very quiet, except for lots or hearsay and speculation
Imagine if everyone involved just simultaneously forgot about the takeover talks
 

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Jesus those financial reports are grim.

Feels like such a pivitol point in the clubs history and future.
 

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Surely we'll be hearing something or other soon? Even if it's a 3rd round of bidding. Seems to have gone very quiet, except for lots or hearsay and speculation
Think the rough timeline is bidders would hear back from Raine within 2 weeks of the 2nd bid being submitted. So could be a while to go yet.
 

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Surely we'll be hearing something or other soon? Even if it's a 3rd round of bidding. Seems to have gone very quiet, except for lots or hearsay and speculation
Why?

This is a potential takeover not a transfer saga.

Considering the amount of interested parties I can see this process dragging on well in to the summer.
 
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