No wonder he's so hateful and insecure
Orkun Kokcu
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This isn't a Muslim thing or a western thing. It is easier to try and make it like that but it is actually about fundamentalism within religion.
Fundamentalist Christian churches (the bible belt in the US for example) would agree with your premise about being gay being a sin. It just happens that Wahhabism was backed by oil money and so spread rapidly as a fundamentalist Islamic doctrine in many countries. There are many Muslims who hold a much kinder and inclusive approach to religion and they shouldn't be uniformly considered bigoted.
Fundamentalism however is bigoted no matter how you dress it up or claim it is western bias. No matter what religion they all tend to suppress the rights of minority groups and maintain a patriarchy. Standing up for peoples rights and saying you don't accept those views as ok isn't Liberal hippocracy. If someone says it it is sinful to marry a person of a different race they hold racist views. Similarly if you believe it is sinful to be gay then that is a homophobic view whether you like it or not and no matter how you justify holding that view.
Me either.
As I said earlier in the thread, that armband thing is just a meaningless piece of cloth. It's just lip service, to say, "look at us, we are doing something". The whole world cup thing proved that.
He's entitled to believe what he wants based on whatever religion he chooses to follow. The hypocrisy of people who can't respect that is amazing.
If he's good enough at football to play for Man Utd, I genuinely couldn't care less what his personal beliefs on anything are.
Very good post.
this is a bit extreme. Of course, there are views someone could hold that you would care about. I think people just need to understand their audience, and keep deeper personal views for your own circle who you know share those views. No need to broadcast them.
Couldn't give a toss to be honest. Unless they believe rape, murder and fiddling with kids is ok.
He and everyone else can believe and choose to believe in, whatever religion/god they want, support/not support whatever political/personal/public causes they wish based off their beliefs or religion.
They are free to do so, anyone who tries to force their views or beliefs on someone or doesn't respect another persons view or beliefs are or can be different is just a hypocrite.
Hahaha an homophobe. In a couple more pages we'll see how much worse it gets I'm sure you guys will find a way to take it even further.
Well said
He's playing today against Roma and Mou at 17:45 if anyone wants to scout him
"Sinful"
People living their life after made up rules instead of using their own brainToo woke for you innit? Damn snowflakes.
I think you are trying to call apples, pears here.. there are plenty of black players who refused to take the knee!
I grew up with mostly black, Jamaican friends and literally none of them support the blm movement..
they do of course stand against racism and certain obstacles they MAY have faced but do not get caught up in the politics..
it’s mostly white, left supporting activists who tie racism and alleged homophobia into the same bracket when it isn’t..
It shows how weak you are at actually arguing your point on said topic.
And some would say living as a man when born a woman and expecting every person in the world to see you as you see yourself, as “made up rules”."Sinful"
some of you can’t even defend your own arguments.
Exactly my friend. That's my thoughts. Some people are just looking to be offended, doesn't matter how they just want the thrill of it.
Good job you reminded me it was the early kick off.
What are you even talking about?
I'd much rather have a conversation with a transgender than a person who blindly follow a book because the "Prophet" said so. Delusional.Clap clap clapAlmost a quarter of the 21st century gone already, and billions of grown ass people are letting this cancer called religion massively influence their lives
Gotta be utterly brain damaged or completely lack comprehension skills to think that...but yeah, it definitely is the case.
In my country, elderly people will taunt or even spit at a young person if they see them with rainbow umbrella, for example.
Ah, yes. They are against racism because it's relevant to them, but against LGBTQ. Hypocrites.
All these homophobes can suck my balls honestly.
Can we talk about football now?
Can we talk about football now?
As I said - “organised” movements.
If a player or group of players feel strongly about something that they wish to display support, raise awareness or send a political message - that’s fine. I have nothing wrong with a player choosing to wear an armband or kneeling. But it shouldn’t be expected and nobody should feel the need to explain why they chose not to participate.
It shouldn’t be imposed on all participants of the sport. It should be a naturally made personal decision, uninfluenced by the pressure of peers or organisations.
You didn't say organised movements. You said organised political/social messages have no place in football and entertainment. Without being pedantic, that's completely different to what you are now saying.
And it's not being imposed. Is anyone here saying that the likes of Kokcu should be forced to wear the armband? People are questioning the legitimacy of his PR statement and debating whether or not it cuts the mustard.
Wearing the LGBTQ armband isn't about flaunting homosexuality ffs. Get a grip.
Indeed. He's free to choose not wear the armband. But we're also free to criticise that choice, deem his reasoning to be homophobic and to not want him at our football club as a result.
I think there is also a bit of a missconception on tolerance. Tolerance doesnt mean tolerate everyone despite their beliefs however offensive hurtful or intolerant they may be. You can't tolerate intolerance.
Thanks for the reminder, tuning in now to watch him hopefully get dominated by a bunch of sweaty men
Our best player tonight. We should've scored from that fantastic through ball on Szymanski.
The idea of transgender in religious belief reflects to opposing his god because if the person is given by god to be male then the person has to be gratitude with what he has been given. If he agrees to wear the rainbow armband then it’s the same thing as he’s opposing his god. This is what he cannot agree to wear the rainbow armband. But he remains respectful that whoever choose to be transgender can do whatever they like and he has no intend to harm.
Christians choose to read bible but refuse to read Quran, they can still be respectful to different religious without following others’ different belief.
He's been really good in the first half and is being utilised by Slot as the connector in the first phase. He's threaded some really good passes between the lines that have completely exposed Roma in the half and central spaces.
This "Show God gratitude for what you have been given" repetition is just tiring. You're replying without reading comments.
His religion doesn't respect homosexuals, so when he comes out with a PR-bullshit public statement that he does, in fact, respect them, it is clearly not how he really feels about it. If your God can't respect that people are born different, then he's a fecking moron.
If the Quran said that dwarves are an abomination, would you be okay with him saying "I respect dwarves, but because of my religion, I can't show my support"?
As a lot of posters have already pointed out, wearing the armband just shows support that you see them as equals, not that you like them.
We're finally talking about football in here. But yes he has looked assured on the ball and passes well. Looks to use both feet too which is good.
If God has given you poor eyesight, are you not supposed to wear glasses? Is eye surgery against the holy scripture?
Looks to be exactly the type of player we need. Seems to be a good vocal player and their captain to boot. For £30m I see no qualms with this.
What the hell happened in here.
Fantastic today. Everything goes through him, composed on the ball, some fantastic passes through their lines. Our wings were dogshit today otherwise we could've scored more.
Get him. Exactly what we need.
It's a football forum and people are discussing a controversial statement/position made by a footballer (and one that has been linked with us), and the wider context. Why are some people bothered by a discussion that deviates slightly from direct football chat? There's literally hundreds of threads that talk solely about football. Respectful debate is a positive thing. If you don't like the conversation, don't engage and scroll past.
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It was just a joke Mark.
They won't do thatAll these homophobes can suck my balls honestly.
Can we talk about football now?