Good! The commentators on the stream I watched made nothing of it, and my mates seemed a bit perplexed that I was criticising him (they're not avid football fans). Could very easily have cost us.
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Good work with the saves to keep us on the game.
But he is really terrible at penalties. He didn't get close to any of the shots. I wonder why ETH did not sub Butland for the penalties. Butland just need to save 1 penalty to be better than De Gea, not a hard challenge I guess? I don't think doing that is disrespecting to De Gea. It is just about putting the right person for the right task. I'm sure De gea himself know his own competency in saving penalties. We got lucky. If our final ends up in penalties, i hope ETH will do the sub.
But he is really terrible at penalties. He didn't get close to any of the shots. I wonder why ETH did not sub Butland for the penalties. Butland just need to save 1 penalty to be better than De Gea, not a hard challenge I guess? I don't think doing that is disrespecting to De Gea. It is just about putting the right person for the right task. I'm sure De gea himself know his own competency in saving penalties. We got lucky. If our final ends up in penalties, i hope ETH will do the sub.
This! I'm sick of seeing him celebrating relatively standard saves like that. Have some higher standards.
Same old De Gea, puts in a pretty standard performance for a premier league goalkeeper, gets praised to the hills for it, while being the highest paid keeper in the world.
Sanchez didn't do this, didn't do that either.. well I'm pretty sure he's not pocketing £375k a week either.
We're not catching teams like City until people at the club start being honest with themselves.
Sanchez didn't do this, didn't do that either.. well I'm pretty sure he's not pocketing £375k a week either.
We're not catching teams like City until people at the club start being honest with themselves.
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He was actually superb at kicking and general distribution when he just joined us from Atletico, so I have no idea how that changed so much. Admittedly, he hoofed quite a few balls today which didn't help us especially at the 45th to 60th min mark.
He made a few good saves, penalties were well struck so I can't fault him. I feel that people often underestimate how difficult it actually is to save a penalty, which is magnified because a lot of fans dislike him now. Don't mind him celebrating the saves and see nothing wrong with that.
He made a few good saves, penalties were well struck so I can't fault him. I feel that people often underestimate how difficult it actually is to save a penalty, which is magnified because a lot of fans dislike him now. Don't mind him celebrating the saves and see nothing wrong with that.
Superb is a bit strong. He was ok. Probably about as good as he is now. But that stood out in an era where we were used to keepers who were absolutely useless with a ball at their feet. Since then we’ve seen a new breed of keepers who are a level above DDG with their feet and managers who integrate that skill into the way their team plays. I don’t think that’s due to him going backwards. Just the game moving on.
This must be what he was watching under his towel, before each penalty.
Another one of those games where we have to pretend to be grateful that he's saved us. It was the perfect game for him. Not many opportunities where he needed to sweep up and Brighton didn't bombard us with too many crosses. Although the one that stands out was the Welbeck chance, that De Gea refused to participate in. His kicking was generally poor and he was in coward mode again when shying away from Mitoma's lunge for the ball (should have been a second yellow). Any other keeper dives at his feet with their hands, but ironically his pussy attitude got him hurt anyway. I assumed we had lost when it went to pens, but thankfully March skyed it.
From transfermarkt which excludes penalty shootsouts, DDG has saved 18% of penalties faced (13 out of 72), while Butland has saved 15% of penalties faced (5 out of 34). He's not good at saving penalties but it could be worse.
For context, Sanchez also has the same percentage of penalties saved as DDG.
I think the numbers are a bit skewed because De Gea saved something like 10 of his first 30 penalties, which is an amazing record.
Since then he's been appalling, he's saved something like 2 out of the last 54.
I thought we could have done with more shithousery and GK antics from him against the Brighton penalty takers. Both him and Robert Sanchez seem to be too "nice". See how Emiliano Martinez behaved during the WC Final, haha.
Only the last spot kick when he moved forward to kick the grass, combined with Wout's golden kiss of the ball, did it seem to mind feck Solly March a bit. Maybe DDG was too focused on reading the useless "guide" after each spot kick. Should have spent his time and energy riling the Brighton players up.
Only the last spot kick when he moved forward to kick the grass, combined with Wout's golden kiss of the ball, did it seem to mind feck Solly March a bit. Maybe DDG was too focused on reading the useless "guide" after each spot kick. Should have spent his time and energy riling the Brighton players up.
His overall stats are alright, yes.
However, if you go by a certain cutoff point, he's been statistically well below average for years now. He pretty much fell off a cliff at one point and has never recovered.
He's incapable of this. We've seen it enough to know. It started for Spain and has continued for United: he has zero presence between the sticks in a penalty situation. Intimidation/annoyance factor = zero.
Whoever did the analysis for him needs to be tore a new one. Cant blame anyone for trusting the coaches/analysts
Keep seeing posts like this despite the vast majority slating him. That says a lot.
He literally did it for game winning penalty miss and you guys are still complaining about. It’s weird at this point.
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And by the end of the horizon he shouts a YEEE HAAW and throws his gloves to the air.
just watched the peno shoot out again
So bad. pathetic actually.
So bad. pathetic actually.
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Schmeichel was probably 20 pounds heavier at least. And the oversized clothes helped too.It's gonna be a huge issue v City if we do the same thing because they will keep the ball for fun and crush us with possession and wear us down over time every time we give it back. We won't have a breather.
We will need rashford and casemiro 100% for it as a way to keep the ball to build our own momentum too.
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But yeah I think VDS with the CL final shootout win. Also the charity shield win V Chelsea too (he saved all three or they missed all three). I want to say Portsmouth charity shield game too? And some in game ones like the one v City.
VDS looked daunting in goal to get past. Apparently 1.98, compared to schmeichel who's 1.93 and ddg is only a cm shorter at 1.92m? I'm surprised as schmeichel again looked massive in goal compared to when you look at ddg in goal.
If he actually did that, then fair enough.
But it's hardly weird that we consider him incapable of it given his track record.
What's your take on it? He has always been a mind game master on penalties - only extremely unlucky up until that one penalty yesterday when it all came together?
I personally have no problem with admitting it when I'm just plain wrong. But this? He's obviously been shit on penalties, and penalty shootouts, for a long time.
I actually thought Mitoma had every right to challenge for that and it wasn’t a second booking.
It was a foul and the follow up would have been disallowed if scored, but he has to be able to challenge in the goal mouth.
Refereeing was still atrocious though.
Whilst youre right, you can challenge for any situation, but if you get it as wrong as Mitoma did, especially any where else on the field, its a yellow card. The issue isnt whether you have a right to challenge for the ball, but if you do, you, you cant be wreckless.
Its possible he probably gets a yellow card, if he doesnt already have one as the challenge in isolation is a yellow card offence>
Saying that, there were so were many more of Brightons challenges which werent given as a yellow anyway.
No, obviously not. You know criticism is going too far when people are ignoring what actually happened though.
Agreed.
In contrast, I think Cas would have seen red for the foul that earned Mitoma his first yellow anyway!
This kind of absolves De Gea for the penalties, if he remembered where to go based on the taker:
It's just one of the many De Gea-isms. He stands behind the post and had his body/legs in all sorts of awkward angles. If that weak deflected shot/cross was on target, it would have likely deflected in off his leg.
Similar to the deflected Malacia goal. His body shape was all wrong and he had this 'resigned' body language that just let it deflect it off him with little reaction before or after the ball left the opponent's feet. Again similar to his reaction after the Maguire pass in the away game.
More of the criticism proven to be very silly then. How many people slated him for not going the right way? Most shots went to his left if I remember correctly. Not to mention that they were all very good pens.
I mean to be fair, that doesn't mean he couldn't have done more to potentially influence where the shot went as he didn't bait the taker (by taking a step to either direction or fake a side) and almost telegraphed where he was going to dive.
I know the pile on Dave may seem harsh but when you look at stats of his last 50+ penalties then it's not really a 'silly criticism'. Just because he went the 'right' way as per instruction, it doesn't mean his technique and approach or lack thereof was adequate, much like his stop saving in relation to his positioning. It's a very valid concern.
Wonder if the Brighton players realised he was checking notes on their preferred spot and changed it accordingly?
Also, we all know De Gea is brilliant at the reaction save, where he doesn't need to think, just react. Which may be why he's not so great at penalties, where he has plenty of time to think about which direction he is going to dive.
The amount of stick he gets from our fans is ridiculous.
Also, we all know De Gea is brilliant at the reaction save, where he doesn't need to think, just react. Which may be why he's not so great at penalties, where he has plenty of time to think about which direction he is going to dive.
The amount of stick he gets from our fans is ridiculous.
It is a silly criticism when you have posters taking about "get rid" on the basis that he missed penalty saves.... During the nervous lottery that is a penalty shootout.
Honestly, to me it seems like people aren't happy unless they're moaning about something. Dunno if that applies to you but it applies to most that frequent these threads, whether there's a game or not, win lose or draw.
Wanting us to not give him a contract because he's terrible at saving penalties is silly but I don't think many are saying that anyway.
I want us to let him go this summer and get a new keeper because he's appalling with the ball at his feet, terrible playing the sweeper, refuses to come off his line at free kicks or corners which invites pressure and because even his best trait of shot stopping really isn't anything special anymore.
These days he's a fairly average keeper with massive flaws.
I want us to let him go this summer and get a new keeper because he's appalling with the ball at his feet, terrible playing the sweeper, refuses to come off his line at free kicks or corners which invites pressure and because even his best trait of shot stopping really isn't anything special anymore.
These days he's a fairly average keeper with massive flaws.
Anyone else notice Dave's muted reaction to Lindelof's shootout-ending penalty? Just started taking off his gloves and walking away, not running to celebrate with his teammates. I think the whole team was shattered physically by then so I wouldn't read too much into it, but it was noticeable.
You and I both know that's simply not true. Wanting him replaced or criticising his tendencies (re: deficiencies) are not based on a singular penalty shoot out; it's on hundreds of games and hundreds of incidents. I'm fully aware of his qualities, his performances for us over the years and the fact it won't be 'easy' to find a replacement to step in as the Utd no. 1 but he attracts a lot of criticism and comments because there are a lot of holes in his fundamental game. I have been quite critical of him but imo that's comes with part and parcel of being a player that has been here for over 10 years; we're looking at the bigger picture for Utd and if you're not moving forward, you're going backwards. I personally have a lot of affection for what he's contributed to us and understand the shitshow that is the managers and the board that he's had to play under over the years but we shouldn't let that cloud our judgement.
They building from the back has the least thing to do with how Sanchez plays. I see him as similar with De Gea, without the massive wage.
That is moronic.
He shouldn't be given a new contract because his current one has him as the highest paid keeper in the world and he's nowhere near being worth be that kind of money.
That, and his style and weaknesses you've mentioned are a massive hindrance to the team as a whole because he just doesn't have the tools required to play how a keeper for a top team should be playing.
Yeah but there was young DDG who had the reflexes of a feline ninja and there's post-Jose DDG who has lost that edge and is now just a rank-bad goalkeeper
As another poster pointed out, his stats are skewed by the younger DDG, who was a world class shot stopper
Drives me fecking mental, man! It's like we'd be replacing him with Wayne Hennessey if he were to leave!
I think the save from mitoma in the second half sort of sums him up. Good reaction save well positioned for it. But the original attack that led to the corner was caused by him hacking a horrible high ball into midfield and the corner that was half cleared got chipped back into the six yard box which was half cleared to mitoma on the edge of the box from under our own bar, which should of been meat and drink to any keeper worth there salt.
De Gea gets praised for a good save that he never should of had it make in the first place and then we have to defend another corner.
De Gea gets praised for a good save that he never should of had it make in the first place and then we have to defend another corner.
Yep, I find it quite weird that people talk about "sit down you DDG haters" every time he makes a save. Almost like no other keeper in the world makes saves.
If DDG made the save that Sanchez made against Rashford, everyone will be like omg DDG saved us, when in fact you expect your keeper to make saves.
Now if you look at his handling which is poor, creates pressure on us and the crowd get up and we then are defensive because teams decide to pump balls into the box.
Secondly, how many times did DDG play the ball long only for the Brighton CB's to clean up and start playing football? Compare that to how many goal kicks Brighton took short and played out our press.
How do we intend to keep the ball then and dominate games? When our keeper kicks the ball so long that no its a 30% chance of keeping the ball and the opponent builds out?
DDG is a big problem.
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