[Longshanks]

Raya isnt good enough for Utd, as some anaylsis videos have pointed out.

De Gea just won the golden gloves, but isnt "suited to top level football anymore"

Also its not "beyond madness" to renew his contract, hes an assest you dont want leaving on a free.

He may not be the 'modern' keeper tgat ETH wants. However you have to work within the confines of your budget. A no9 and no8 have been prioritised over a 'modern' keeper.

Theres one elite characteristic a "modern' keeper would need to succeed at utd and thats shot stopping. Playing out from the back, contributing to the high press or playing sweeper-keeper is all well and good. If you cant pull off world class saves like de gea can, you arent going to last long at utd. Raya definetely cant. There are other keepers who can, however they wont be cheap and the priority this summer as we all know is a no9 and a no8.

So renewing de gea and bringing in some competition for him makes perfect sense. However his long term replacement? That will have to wait till next summer and the budget to go after the very very elite 'modern' keepers who can also pull off world class saves.

Ahh yes, the world class saves myth. All PL Goalkeepers pull off world class saves fairly commonly, Raya and De Gea included.

The thing with De Gea is he is very low risk in his style of GK, he gives himself every chance possible to pull of 'world class saves' by never ever taking a risk with his position to try to smother the chance. His style leads to him making more saves than a pro-active GK. He's also very athletic which makes his saves look very aesthetically pleasing. So his style leads to him making alot of eye catching saves. But realistically there saves that most PL GK's can make and do make maybe with less 'style'.

That's not to say that occasionally de Gea does wow us with a genuinely incredible saves that maybe some other PL GK'S wouldn't make, but considering the downsides to his game these don't happen anywhere near enough to make it at all worthwhile.

He isn't difficult to replace by any stretch of the imagination, maybe there will be less highlight reel worth saves but 100% the team will be better for it.

 

[MadDogg]

Raya isnt good enough for Utd, as some anaylsis videos have pointed out.

De Gea just won the golden gloves, but isnt "suited to top level football anymore"

Also its not "beyond madness" to renew his contract, hes an assest you dont want leaving on a free.

He may not be the 'modern' keeper tgat ETH wants. However you have to work within the confines of your budget. A no9 and no8 have been prioritised over a 'modern' keeper.

Theres one elite characteristic a "modern' keeper would need to succeed at utd and thats shot stopping. Playing out from the back, contributing to the high press or playing sweeper-keeper is all well and good. If you cant pull off world class saves like de gea can, you arent going to last long at utd. Raya definetely cant. There are other keepers who can, however they wont be cheap and the priority this summer as we all know is a no9 and a no8.

So renewing de gea and bringing in some competition for him makes perfect sense. However his long term replacement? That will have to wait till next summer and the budget to go after the very very elite 'modern' keepers who can also pull off world class saves.

A keeper who is solid at everything is a far better keeper (especially for a top team) than someone who is great at shot-stopping and poor to downright terrible at every other aspect of goalkeeping. There's a reason literally every other team in the top ten bar probably Spurs would literally laugh in our faces if we offered a straight swap with their #1. And Spurs will almost certainly be signing a new keeper to solve that issue.

It's not like we're trying to replace 17/18 De Gea here; he isn't even great at shot-stopping anymore. Hasn't been for half a decade now other than a brief resurgence for the first half of last season.

 

[dinostar77]

A keeper who is solid at everything is a far better keeper (especially for a top team) than someone who is great at shot-stopping and poor to downright terrible at every other aspect of goalkeeping. There's a reason literally every other team in the top ten bar probably Spurs would literally laugh in our faces if we offered a straight swap with their #1. And Spurs will almost certainly be signing a new keeper to solve that issue.

It's not like we're trying to replace 17/18 De Gea here; he isn't even great at shot-stopping anymore. Hasn't been for half a decade now other than a brief resurgence for the first half of last season.

He just won the golden gloves for most clean sheets.

 

[dinostar77]

Ahh yes, the world class saves myth. All PL Goalkeepers pull off world class saves fairly commonly, Raya and De Gea included.

The thing with De Gea is he is very low risk in his style of GK, he gives himself every chance possible to pull of 'world class saves' by never ever taking a risk with his position to try to smother the chance. His style leads to him making more saves than a pro-active GK. He's also very athletic which makes his saves look very aesthetically pleasing. So his style leads to him making alot of eye catching saves. But realistically there saves that most PL GK's can make and do make maybe with less 'style'.

That's not to say that occasionally de Gea does wow us with a genuinely incredible saves that maybe some other PL GK'S wouldn't make, but considering the downsides to his game these don't happen anywhere near enough to make it at all worthwhile.

He isn't difficult to replace by any stretch of the imagination, maybe there will be less highlight reel worth saves but 100% the team will be better for it.

Finding a keeper who can make saves other keepers cant, is very expensive as they are normally elite keepers which clubs are relunctant to part with, if they do its for alot of money. Theres nothing elite about raya, hes as average as they come.

 

[DJ_21]

Can’t afford any mistakes today! Playing out from the back is probably a bad idea today.

 

[giggs-beckham]

A keeper who is solid at everything is a far better keeper (especially for a top team) than someone who is great at shot-stopping and poor to downright terrible at every other aspect of goalkeeping. There's a reason literally every other team in the top ten bar probably Spurs would literally laugh in our faces if we offered a straight swap with their #1. And Spurs will almost certainly be signing a new keeper to solve that issue.

It's not like we're trying to replace 17/18 De Gea here; he isn't even great at shot-stopping anymore. Hasn't been for half a decade now other than a brief resurgence for the first half of last season.

Spurs keeper doesn't have the sentimental value ours does though, that's part of the problem.

 

[crossy1686]

He needs a big performance today, any fecking around and a new GK becomes even more of a priority. You can’t have your GK costing you finals or big games consistently if you want to win things.

 

[crossy1686]

He just won the golden gloves for most clean sheets.

He should give that award to Martinez and Varane, they did about 2/3rds of the lifting.

 

[MadDogg]

He just won the golden gloves for most clean sheets.

I'm not going to speak for the entire season, but for the final month or so I was actually taking note of which goalkeeper in our games made the better saves. In most it was actually the opposition keeper. This idea that De Gea has pulling off saves 'that no other keeper would make' every week to save our arses really isn't the case. That's not to say that he hasn't made any as there have obviously been some, but you could say the same for most good keepers in the league. There's a reason why only one of his saves have been nominated for the PL save of the season, and it certainly wasn't the best in that list.

De Gea has had plenty of seasons in the past where he was far better than he was this season but didn't win the golden gloves. It's not really a great award to judge a keeper on unless the keeper played an absolutely huge part in it that was far beyond what would be expected (such as De Gea did in 17/18). Hart won it four times, Reina won it three times, Cech won it four times, three of which were after I think everyone would agree he was no longer the best around, Szczesny won it once at a time most considered him a weakness for Arsenal.

 

[Pickle85]

He should give that award to Martinez and Varane, they did about 2/3rds of the lifting.

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Yes, he's been helped out by a solid pair of CBs but it's just dumb to think that having decent CBs in front of him invalidates his contribution.

 

[klsv]

He needs a big performance today, any fecking around and a new GK becomes even more of a priority. You can’t have your GK costing you finals or big games consistently if you want to win things.

Yeah, this! What a fecking useless cnut, donate him to Luton straight away, can't go around costing us finals like that. I am very upset and I am going to express this online!

Oh wait, it's still a couple of hours until the match kicks off.

 

[soapythecat]

DDG disaster-class incoming this afternoon.

 

[RuudTom83]

DDG disaster-class incoming this afternoon.

Hehe we haven't even kicked off yet...poor Dave giving us all nightmares.

He even saved a penalty last match, he has got this!

 

[lex talionis]

Replacing ddg should not be costly, that's the point. Easy, costly or whatever word you want to use, getting somebody in to replace ddg who is an upgrade would not be an issue unless we're trying to get the top of the class.
We could get a short term keeper if needed that is an upgrade and then plan for a longer term upgrade, however the key would be to fit Eth style of play

I haven't said bringing a keeper is more important than a striker because we obviously lack one and that would make a huge difference.
However I would argue GK as the top of the spine is second most important player we need, for reasons that have been said many times.

Even if we make the Raya arguement regarding pressure at united ,let's not pretend ddg has been a shining example of dealing with pressure at united in big games. He's folded more often than not especially knockout situations under several managers.

Also the last line about ridicule... Are we still going with the line that criticism is now ridiculing and agenda driven?

Sure, we could replace DDG easily and cheaply with, say, Dean Henderson. But the answer to that it was we need a top class keeper and such a player is neither easily nor cheaply procured.

Raya, a keeper I like, would be easily and cheaply procured, but he is no upgrade on De Gea. Henderson is right there if we want him, but we're not having that. Costa is an easy one, but he won't be cheap. It will be costly to replace De Gea, which is just how it is in today's football world, but let's not pretend that it won't be.

 

[Sylar]

Hopefully ddg has the game of his life
Or even better, he has nothing to do

 

[Based Adnan]

Absolutely terrible goalkeeper, we won't win anything serious with him playing

 

[The United]

Would it be extremely harsh on Dave if I thought he could have done better on both goals?

 

[fergiethegoat]

Get him out.

 

[arnie_ni]

Why do we pass it back so needlessly to him every game when he can't pass and we don't ever seem to make an effort for the 2nd ball?

He must get more touches of the ball than any other keeper we play against.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

How many times is he going to cost us in the biggest games before we finally feck him off ?

I'm sick of it , it's been years.

 

[Idxomer]

Beyond awful, he has fecked us again.

City's backup keeper is miles better than him.

 

[Yorkeontop]

I'd like to think we are actively looking for his replacement.

 

[Kopral Jono]

I'm sorry but that's on De Gea.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Don’t renew please, just say thank you and goodbye

 

[Rajma]

One of the worst GKs ever to play for us

 

[arnie_ni]

Not even sure hes at fault for either but if we can get anyone to replace him we just need to at this stage.

 

[Idxomer]

Why do we pass it back so needlessly to him every game when he can't pass and we don't ever seem to make an effort for the 2nd ball?

He must get more touches of the ball than any other keeper we play against.

This is hilariously factually wrong.

 

[arnie_ni]

One of the worst GKs ever to play for us

Don't re write history

 

[bosnian_red]

Please leave. Just a shit goalkeeper these days. Horrible playing out the back, horrible shot stopping.

 

[Fergies Gum]

The idea we are going to compete in the league or Europe with this guy in the goal is just laughable

 

[JakeC]

He's not absolutely awful, have a bit of fecking respect.

That being said, next game should be the testimonial and the soppy tit w*nk.

 

[Raw]

We cannot go another season with this weak as piss coward in goal. We just can't.

 

[Red Royal]

Was a great keeper a few years ago, now time to go.

 

[CloneMC16]

Better be the last time I have to watch him in a red shirt.

 

[arnie_ni]

This is hilariously factually wrong.

You think city's keeper had more of the ball than ddg today?

About 42 mins gone we had a throw at the edge of their box. 3 passes later it's back to ddg who knocks it long and we turn it over again. Pointless.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Bad. Just bad.

 

[Pronewbie]

Shocking how he let the ball trickle on the goal line for a good 3 - 5s at the end and not come out to collect. Basic stuff like that relieves a ton of pressure on the defence and helps us build up without pressure.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Would it be extremely harsh on Dave if I thought he could have done better on both goals?

Gundogan shouldn't be having open way to goal at either of goals, especially 2nd one after he scored already. Not sure if De Gea had a decent chance to save those 2 shots.

 

[Slevs]

Adios Dave. Hopefully the narrative goes to the trash cause we needed you for the cup final. Terrible keeper for a side aiming for the higher spots.

 

[L1nk]

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Please anyone defend this, as the tweet says what are we actually supposed to do, anytime the ball goes back to him it's virtually guaranteed opposite team posession, you could argue the first goal was a freak goal but the second one bounces twice and rolls in and he still can't save it ffs