bucky
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Well, it’s the right person to blame.Yeah, let's blame him for our players being unprofessional. We could have had two players sent off now, and Rashford got no yellow for the clearest dive you'll see. We can't complain.
No complaint on the yellow card to Shaw, when it wasn’t even a foul and the ref looking directly at it from 3 yards?I'm quite perplexed by some of the takes in here. The pen was a definite pen. He/VAR got the yellow to Antony right when other refs would have been swayed to show a red. He/VAR got the no-pen decision with AWB and Mitoma right. And he should definitely have sent off Cas for a second yellow but didn't.
Other than not booking Caicedo for his challenge on Rashford in the first half, I don't have any complaints. If anything, due to Cas being braindead, we got away lightly.
Yes, I do think it has plumbed new depths this season.Horribly inconsistent for both teams. It has been the story of officiating all season. I think this is the worst season for refereeing I can remember.
He didn't get the yellow for the foul but for his whining afterwards.No complaint on the yellow card to Shaw, when it wasn’t even a foul and the ref looking directly at it from 3 yards?
Again if that’s a yellow for whining, I guess we should not have any men left on the pitch. Both teams would all be sent off.He didn't get the yellow for the foul but for his whining afterwards.
When five Brighton players surrounded him to get Casemiro sent off for a foul where he gave advantage and they got a shot off from 20 yards out, he was happy to just scream at them and send them away.Again if that’s a yellow for whining, I guess we should not have any men left on the pitch. Both teams would all be sent off.
I can't deny that I was annoyed when Shaw did it. He whined and shouted for a solid minute, just tone it down and walk away, you're not going to change his mind on the foul. That one is on him IMO. There's whining like Bruno does and then there's whatever Shaw was doing. It was just stupid on his part.Again if that’s a yellow for whining, I guess we should not have any men left on the pitch. Both teams would all be sent off.
Why was it a yellow card handball? Did he do it on purpose? You have the full angle?Shouldn’t Shaw have had a second yellow for the handball?
No.Shouldn’t Shaw have had a second yellow for the handball?
No it was completely accidental.Shouldn’t Shaw have had a second yellow for the handball?
Could have easily sent off Casimero & Antony and no one could have had any complaints if he had.Wall eyed bastard never gives us anything.
Exactly. I'm not saying that this was a good refereeing performance, but I am saying that the most egregious mistake he made was failing to send Cas off with around a half hour to go for a blatant second yellow.Could have easily sent off Casimero & Antony and no one could have had any complaints if he had.
We lost because of another abject team performance. Blaming the ref is just childish. Brighton won because they were the better team and deserved the three points. It’s not always the refs fault.
Agree with this, he wasn't that bad.Honestly think that he had a good game overall. Yeah it was probably not a free kick but there was so much diving from both teams that it’s hard to blame him. I think not booking Gilmore was probably the one wrong one he made
Yes, especially the Rashford one where he looked like he was pulled down. They never showed the replay of that.Agree with this, he wasn't that bad.
The Rashford & Antony fouls that lead to the scuffle i'd need to see again as Sky just ignored those incidents in the hope they'd see a red card for Antony.
This was it for me, he tried to let the game flow, but his strange decision making meant he lost all control early on and couldn't reign it back in.It's always a sign of a poor refereeing performance when players start arguing repeatedly. Decisions haven't been done fairly and the players lose respect for the referee, who loses control over the game. I don't think he's biased but he is a weak referee, always easily conned by players and a crowd, which leads to a game like yesterday.
Referees like him decide games. Both sides had missed red cards and penalties but ultimately he was conned for a free kick right under his nose which led to the penalty.
if thats the case then by the rules of the game is should not have been a pen.No it was completely accidental.
He should have booked Rashford for diving and MitomaHe could've given Casemiro a second yellow, was surprised he didn't tbh.
i will second that. Apart from a mistake impacting final score he was not that bad. And Antony could have been sent offBracing myself for all the abuse...... But I thought he was ok for us yesterday really.
Anthony could easily have seen red & so could Casemiro...... And it was a penalty.
Lets not be sore losers and blame the ref.
Mitoma twice. Didn't do it first time which encourages the second.He should have booked Rashford for diving and Mitoma
The players don't start off with respect for referees. They can't lose something they never had. That's very clear, any weekend of football shows that, it's not specific to Andre Marriner, it's a culture within the game. Some games are worse than others, but at its core it is evident to me that players and managers massively contribute to how difficult refereeing has become.It's always a sign of a poor refereeing performance when players start arguing repeatedly. Decisions haven't been done fairly and the players lose respect for the referee, who loses control over the game. I don't think he's biased but he is a weak referee, always easily conned by players and a crowd, which leads to a game like yesterday.
Referees like him decide games. Both sides had missed red cards and penalties but ultimately he was conned for a free kick right under his nose which led to the penalty.
I'll ride with your analogy. So if the 'thief' stops committing the crime, another will come in his place and the first thief will have the moral high-ground but if the law don't punish the second thief, he now owns the trophy. This means the first thief will soon give up his moral high-ground and go back to thieving because the trophy is what he wants.The players don't start off with respect for referees. They can't lose something they never had. That's very clear, any weekend of football shows that, it's not specific to Andre Marriner, it's a culture within the game. Some games are worse than others, but at its core it is evident to me that players and managers massively contribute to how difficult refereeing has become.
Maybe rather than blaming the ref for being "conned", we need to have substantive initiatives that drive diving, playacting, card waving, surrounding refs out of the game. Address it at the root of the problem rather than blaming the official for the player's actions. It's like committing a crime and then blaming society for making you do it. They're supposed to be refereeing the laws of the game, not babysitting idiots that are just as interested in cheating as they are playing the game.
The players don't start off with respect for referees. They can't lose something they never had. That's very clear, any weekend of football shows that, it's not specific to Andre Marriner, it's a culture within the game. Some games are worse than others, but at its core it is evident to me that players and managers massively contribute to how difficult refereeing has become.
Maybe rather than blaming the ref for being "conned", we need to have substantive initiatives that drive diving, playacting, card waving, surrounding refs out of the game. Address it at the root of the problem rather than blaming the official for the player's actions. It's like committing a crime and then blaming society for making you do it. They're supposed to be refereeing the laws of the game, not babysitting idiots that are just as interested in cheating as they are playing the game.
I obviously think that refs should get the respect, but wearing a black shirt shouldn't be the only prerequisite. If he were a bit more honest last night he would've avoided a bunch of the incidents that became controversial later on. Marriner and his officiating created much of the tension and directly influenced the game in Brighton's favour. Had he not allowed Mitoma to dive twice without yellow, then maybe Rashford wouldn't have thought that there was a worthwhile risk/reward ratio to attempting a dive as well. But instead, everybody's talking about Rashford's pathetic dive. And why wouldn't he take his chances when he's seen that this ref doesn't give a yellow for it when the same player on the other team's done it twice? So by booking Mitoma for either of his dives he could've avoided Rashford or anyone else attempting to con him.The players don't start off with respect for referees. They can't lose something they never had. That's very clear, any weekend of football shows that, it's not specific to Andre Marriner, it's a culture within the game. Some games are worse than others, but at its core it is evident to me that players and managers massively contribute to how difficult refereeing has become.
Maybe rather than blaming the ref for being "conned", we need to have substantive initiatives that drive diving, playacting, card waving, surrounding refs out of the game. Address it at the root of the problem rather than blaming the official for the player's actions. It's like committing a crime and then blaming society for making you do it. They're supposed to be refereeing the laws of the game, not babysitting idiots that are just as interested in cheating as they are playing the game.
I'm not talking about Man Utd or a specific club going out on their own and playing like saints. That would be pure stupidity for the reason you allude to. My only point is its ridiculous to blame refs for the players acting like fecking idiots. If you are surrounded by people attempting to con you, at some point you're going to get conned.I'll ride with your analogy. So if the 'thief' stops committing the crime, another will come in his place and the first thief will have the moral high-ground but if the law don't punish the second thief, he now owns the trophy. This means the first thief will soon give up his moral high-ground and go back to thieving because the trophy is what he wants.