Jose Mourinho | Sacked by Roma
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
No, going off by the stats. Roma offered nothing going forward. I don’t believe that to be a masterclass. They got lucky and good on them for reaching the final.
Funny how a football manager can wind some people up so much to the point they feel the need to jump and shit on any good result he gets.
A once in generation manager. He was really one of a kind in his prime when it comes to football and it'll be a sad day when he finally retires. We'll never see a manager like him again. The mix of charisma, charming, arrogant and funny personality accompanied with winding up the opposition with shithousery style of play and provoking quotes is a mix we'll never see again in this sport.
It'll be pretty hard to win this from a team like Sevilla but I'll definitely prefer one of the best managers in modern game's history to win it ahead of an awful team like Sevilla.
A once in generation manager. He was really one of a kind in his prime when it comes to football and it'll be a sad day when he finally retires. We'll never see a manager like him again. The mix of charisma, charming, arrogant and funny personality accompanied with winding up the opposition with shithousery style of play and provoking quotes is a mix we'll never see again in this sport.
It'll be pretty hard to win this from a team like Sevilla but I'll definitely prefer one of the best managers in modern game's history to win it ahead of an awful team like Sevilla.
I didn't, I'm watching the play offs.
But this is Joses game plan, time and time again. It's risky because one goal ruins it and it requires luck like anything else in football.
But you don't keep repeating the same success without being a master.
Just because it's shite, doesn't change that.
blame Tammy for the nil shots on target
At best I can see him at a top Italian club or maybe PSG in a few years as once Neymar, Messi and Mbappe have moved on.
Didn't see the game tonight but reading about the performance, more and more top clubs wouldn't want that kind of football to be played. It's not been that effective at the highest level for some time and is a bit of a chore to watch. I think managing clubs like Roma is a good match for him right now.
It works so great but it’s not a masterclass. You would surely have to offer some attacking threat and some innovative tactics to call it that.
He's probably the only manager in the game today you could put at any club and be confident they'll win something.
It’s a bit rich calling Sevilla an awful side after Roma’s performance today. Away from home Sevilla weren’t as bad against us as Roma were tonight.
It's not about playstyle.
In the sense that Jose has mastered the art, I would say it is.
And I don't think it's actually that effective in most cases because the whole plan falls apart if you concede. So you have to be drilled to near perfection, know exactly what you need to do and be prepared to give everything.
Everywhere he has gone and the players have done that, he's done great things. Where players haven't bought into it, or when players stop believing in him, it no longer work and things can turn ugly very quickly.
Most managers who use similar tactics fight relegation because it's such a high risk strategy. Jose is the exception, especially today. I can't think of any other manager in any of the top European leagues that can pull off this style and have any level of success.
Sevilla have had a bad season but previously have been playing some good football on route to their cup wins.
Sevilla could have conceded 6 goals in the first half alone at OT. Roma could have played for a week without even coming close to conceding tonight
These are knockout games. Win is only thing important. Sure, it nice to go through like City did vs Real but goung through is the main objective.
Same will be in final. Jose will play to stop Sevilla. And win EL (i hope
).If Jose had managed Sevilla against us, people would have called that a masterclass. Roma offered no attacking threat whatsoever tonight.
Yeah I agree, I was just responding to why Sevilla were called an awful team when they clearly aren’t.These are knockout games. Win is only thing important. Sure, it nice to go through like City did vs Real but goung through is the main objective.
Same will be in final. Jose will play to stop Sevilla. And win EL (i hope
They didn't need to
Did you read ? I said it's not about playstyle.
And at the same time they were under no threat of conceding the entire game. Bayer had about one or two actual chances at most. Pretty comfortable defensive performance from Roma.
This manager for Sevilla has definitely changed their season. They could have easily scored 4/5 goals tonight.
Also, such tactics require a team that doesn't see itself as elite. It relies so much on seeing yourself as the underdog. It's why Spurs really should have bent to his will as I honestly think he could have got something for them. He's a perfect match for a team like Roma.
It hasn't?
The teams who dominated at the biggest stage (CL, WC) have mostly being playing some sort of pragmatic football. Real Madrid, France, even Argentina this year.
I know that it is very sexy when you play pretty patterns and pressing but the downside is that you need to have much better players than the opposition in order to pull that off most of the time as it is extremely risky.
This is why Pep Klopp and the likes have struggled at the biggest stage. Liverpool were clearly superior in the CL final last year but lost and do not get me started on City's many exits to vastly inferior sides.
So yeah, what is this high level that has moved on? League football sure. Having said that, La Liga's record point tally has been set by Mourinho's Madrid.
Funny how having top top players seems to help.
How was Juve today? Better than us vs Sevilla?
Because they got lucky but all credit to them.
No, because they actually won the first leg
Yes, though over the whole tie they were probably worse
They didn’t need to score because they won the first leg, they were lucky Leverkusen didnt score in the match. That’s what I’m saying.
But he is past his best? It’s clear that he’s past his prime.
You make it sound like he’s dominating Serie A here or something. I do hope they thump Sevilla though
Jose's principles of play were documented in Diego Torres’s biography of him. According to Mourinho, the key tenants are:
1. The game is won by the team who commit fewer errors.
2. Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition.
3. Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it’s better to encourage their mistakes.
4. Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake.
5. Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake.
6. Whoever has the ball has fear.
7. Whoever does not have it is thereby stronger.
They weren't lucky, Leverkusen didn't create the chances to score. Lucky is when your opponents miss, not when you keep them at arm's bay
I do not think it is clear at all.But he is past his best? It’s clear that he’s past his prime.
You make it sound like he’s dominating Serie A here or something. I do hope they thump Sevilla though
I find it hard why so many people on this forum find it so difficult to see that a manager's results heavily rely on the players they are coaching.
If he did not take the poisoned chalice that is the United job, his reputation would not have taken a hit.
And if he did not hold up a mirror for United, he would not have been so hated here.
Which is also why it worked at Chelsea but not as well with United or Madrid.
He'd have probably been ridiculously successful at City had he got the job after Mancini. Not sure it would work now though.
"there are many poets in football, but poets don't win many titles"
"Football heritage!" is also missing, to be fair.
I’m happy for him he’s made it to a a European final (same with Moyes, and the ex United players at Inter) and I hope he wins it, as he is still an all time great, but let’s not pretend he’s doing amazing.
Roma have completely capitulated in the league this season and taken 3 points from their last 15. That’s not the sign of a manager still at the peak of his powers.
The “took the wrong jobs” argument is weak as well, he had a full on meltdown at Chelsea with the same team he won the league with. He was heavily backed at United and managed to lose the dressing room through his archaic methods.There were worrying signs also at Real of his being out of date towards the end.
Roma have completely capitulated in the league this season and taken 3 points from their last 15. That’s not the sign of a manager still at the peak of his powers.
The “took the wrong jobs” argument is weak as well, he had a full on meltdown at Chelsea with the same team he won the league with. He was heavily backed at United and managed to lose the dressing room through his archaic methods.There were worrying signs also at Real of his being out of date towards the end.
Well that's the point.
He hasn't won the CL since 2010 and hasn't made a CL SF since 2014 and I think that's for a reason.
You've used international teams as your main examples which I think we can all agree is another ball game but as far as top clubs go, his market is pretty small in my opinion. Would Real Madrid take him back, maybe? But don't think they are going out of their way to get him.
Do you really think there is a big market for him at the elite clubs?
I'm not saying he's a bad manager but I don't think he's an elite manager anymore but a great fit for Roma.
Didn't you say above that you didn't watch the game ? Why are you talking about a game you didn't watch so confidently ?
Hope he goes on to beat Sevilla
absolutely can’t stand those cnuts
absolutely can’t stand those cnuts
Roma have an injury crisis and pretty much had to focus on this competition.
Regarding Madrid, he reached three Champions League semi finals with them in as many seasons and went out to a prime Messi dribbling past half his team, Bayern on penalties and Dortmund, which admittedly was disappointing.
He broke their CL hodoo that no one barely remembers now and broke Barcelona's grasp on La Liga.
Madrid and Chelsea do not really do long term managers so this is a very bizarre stick to beat him with.
For United, he remains the most successful manager post SAF and I maintain that he was not backed enough to compete with City, which is what he wanted to do. And yeah then the club sided with Pogba.
Exactly. Players at elite clubs will always have a certain mentality and ego. When he took over Chelsea, players like Carvalho, Terry, Lampard and co. were hard workers, fighters, never the type who would have too much ego to play harass and spoil and close down. Try that with Ramos and Cristiano Ronaldo and those guys and it's really difficult to sustain after one or two years, too much conflict and tension boilding under the surface. He needs a very specific set of circumstances to work under and those circumstances have just got even more specific in the past 10 years or so.
They wasn’t good. But we was awful and the score line shows that. Juventus better defensively and their keeper made some stunning saves. But overall Sevilla deserved to go through.