Newtonius
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No not at a high level, i mean just say it how it is there will be no respect there in a room of 30 men especially not behind closed doors in a changing room or on the training ground.
Wow.No not at a high level, i mean just say it how it is there will be no respect there in a room of 30 men especially not behind closed doors in a changing room or on the training ground.
Are they? I would have assumed it was the opposite given the recent push for gender diversity, its only rational they won't all be in leadership positions due to merit.Wow.
Why are rooms full of men able to respect a non-male CEO?
Yes, they are. Strange that you can't imagine it.Are they? I would have assumed it was the opposite given the recent push for gender diversity, its only rational they won't all be in leadership positions due to merit.
Don't have that experience to be able to say though, nor would it be that applicable either most CEO's aren't on the ground level directing their every waking move in a football shirt telling them what to do.
Doubling down on misogyny, nice one.Are they? I would have assumed it was the opposite given the recent push for gender diversity, its only rational they won't all be in leadership positions due to merit.
Don't have that experience to be able to say though, nor would it be that applicable either most CEO's aren't on the ground level directing their every waking move in a football shirt telling them what to do.
I'm sure there have been men who managed men's and women's teams. I don't think the game is that different.There will be I think - not sure of their route to it though. The women’s game is different to the men’s game so they would need to find entry into the men’s footballing pyramid and work up from there.
Ah who cares these words are meaningless bro. I simply acknowledge men and women are different in how we act and treat each other its biology it is what it is. If you didn't look at your father differently to your mother growing up for instance i would call you a liar.Doubling down on misogyny, nice one.
Yeah there's probably no successful female middle level bosses in working life in any industry.
The best comeback everAh who cares these words are meaningless bro. I simply acknowledge that we act and treat each other differently its biology it is what it is. If you didn't look at your father differently to your mother growing up for instance i would call you a liar.
Maybe I’m wrong. Only takes one owner of a men’s team to believe that line of thinking.I'm sure there have been men who managed men's and women's teams. I don't think the game is that different.
This is the most likely path, I agree.In the short term I think it’s more likely that teams start having females on their coaching staff. In time maybe one of them gets asked to take interim charge, maybe a good run of form gets them the gig full time etc.
I would love to see Wiegman and Hayes get a chance at some level. That’s if they’re interested, of course.I wonder if Weigman could do a job now?
I think the issue in football, more than gender is that footballers respect accomplishments, mourinho was very much an exception but a group of premier league footballers will have a fair bit of difficulty respecting someone who never played at anything close to the kind of level they did. Even if you could remove sexism completely, and that's unlikely, I'd say that's a bigger obstacle. Having said that I'm sure it will happen eventually, if i recall correctly Emma Hayes was offered the Wimbledon job but turned it down, I'm sure you will get someone with enough charisma and skill to land it, it might depend on someone like Hayes being willing to take the job from a top women's side to a lower league side firstWow.
Why are rooms full of men able to respect a non-male CEO?
Just say it how it is, you wouldn’t respect a non-male leader (in that environment). Doesn’t mean plenty of others couldn’t.
I may well be wrong but my suspicion is this wouldn't work and would just be a waste of their talents. I think the top levels of men's football and women's are still too tactically different to expect Wiegman to be a good PL manager, or indeed Pep a good WSL manager. It's the women who centre their careers on coaching the men's game that I think are gonna be the ones to be successful.I would love to see Wiegman and Hayes get a chance at some level. That’s if they’re interested, of course.
I disagree, I think tactics are just the technical side of a job and compared to foundational skills in strategic management, managing people, relationship building, analytical ability - they are there to be picked up. There are technical aspects of my job that routinely change, but the point is if the core skills relating to that role are in place, it's fine to adapt. But you can't just "create" a manager because they know tactics, there is a certain alchemy a top manager has in terms of personal skills, so that's the difference between the aforementioned skills and a technical skill. Even if it took a few years, an intelligent and highly skilled female manager should be able to adapt to tactics starting at a slightly lower level than the PL initially.I may well be wrong but my suspicion is this wouldn't work and would just be a waste of their talents. I think the top levels of men's football and women's are still too tactically different to expect Wiegman to be a good PL manager, or indeed Pep a good WSL manager. It's the women who centre their careers on coaching the men's game that I think are gonna be the ones to be successful.
I will expand my argument further and add that managing PL players egos compared to WSL egos also seems a huge one to bridge and that again that would go in both directions.I disagree, I think tactics are just the technical side of a job and compared to foundational skills in strategic management, managing people, relationship building, analytical ability - they are there to be picked up. There are technical aspects of my job that routinely change, but the point is if the core skills relating to that role are in place, it's fine to adapt. But you can't just "create" a manager because they know tactics, there is a certain alchemy a top manager has in terms of personal skills, so that's the difference between the aforementioned skills and a technical skill. Even if it took a few years, an intelligent and highly skilled female manager should be able to adapt to tactics starting at a slightly lower level than the PL initially.
I think Pep would adjust very easily to the WSL as well. Incredibly quickly. With the kind of focus and obsession a manager like that has, he'd be spending every waking hour analysing the detail of how those matches are played. Within one summer he would be able to do that in my opinion.
The reverse is a bit harder because obviously women's football is still at a formative stage in terms of quality, it hasn't had the complete development of the men's game. Correspondingly, the finances are less, the quality is less, the processes are probably more streamlined and the game is played at a slower pace. So you're very much entering a big pond as a female manager and there would be a heck of a lot to pick up, whereas the reverse isn't true.
I'm not sure the bit where they sack our hypothetical heroine after a moderately disappointing first 15 games is gonna be that popular though.Would be a good PR move for one of those clubs who don't appear bothered who manages them from one week to the next.
True. Although it would show equality at least.I'm not sure the bit where they sack our hypothetical heroine after a moderately disappointing first 15 games is gonna be that popular though.
I'll give you that.True. Although it would show equality at least.