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Is this poll the best measure of poster quality we've ever had on the caf? Look at the names in both results, what a contrast.
Probably. I'm in the bad section and I'm a terrible poster.
Is this poll the best measure of poster quality we've ever had on the caf? Look at the names in both results, what a contrast.
My ability to be moderately friendly to people on this forum (sometimes) is rather dependent on me not knowing they're like this.There are some names in the yes column I never thought I'd see there. I guess people are complex beings, and form opinions that you wouldn't expect.
Voted yes but I have certainly been conflicted on this.
He's a young lad who's done something disgusting. But nearly everyone should get a second chance. If the victim of his abuse has forgiven him, then I think we should too.
He's a footballer, not a politician or social worker. He might turn out to be a serial offender, in which case he should be prosecuted and banned from top level football.
He's served an 18 month club ban. That seems enough for me. Especially given that its 18 months longer than any other club would have given him.
Exactly.Yeah, but a second chance at having a life. He doesn't have a right to a second chance at being a millionaire footballer at Manchester United.
This. I was under the impression that the yes vote was more about giving a second chance than excusing him for his actions.I think the poll question should be "Would you be open to Mason Greenwood returning next year?" rather than "Do you want Mason Greenwood to return next year?"
Lots of conditionals in play.
I’m way behind on all things Mason Greenwood. I’m aware that he has been cleared by law enforcement authorities, but has his girlfriend and her family forgiven him?
Apologies if this is a bonehead question.
How is it hypocritical? It’s not up to us if other clubs don’t have a shred of moral fibre and choose to give him a contract and playing time, it’s up to us to see that he doesn’t represent Man Utd in any way shape or form ever again.So fans don't want him here but don't mind him playing for a different club? If he is evil then he should be sacked from football. Otherwise seems very hypocritical. (not sure if thats the right word here)
Probably. I'm in the bad section and I'm a terrible poster.
Eh it's just a question. It is similar in the "one option is better for us on a pitch, but comes with morality black spots, while the other is worse on the pitch but morality wise it is clean". Like I said, people are entitled to their views, but it is a valid comparison because it is comparing desire for team success to some morality issues, and what level of wrongdoing crosses the line where it would be a no. So for you, you are a no for Greenwood with his situation, but are ok with Qatar because... They aren't directly representing United on the field?This is an extremely lazy comparison. I am yes Qatar and no Greenwood.
Seeking to boil this down to one side good and one side bad is very lame.
I think the poll question should be "Would you be open to Mason Greenwood returning next year?" rather than "Do you want Mason Greenwood to return next year?"
Lots of conditionals in play.
Just a reminder: We lost the FA Cup Final to Gundogain, a player who could (and did) score equally well with both feet. Now Mason Greenwood possessed similar skillset. Imagine what could he do if he was the one coming on instead of Weghorst?
I just ask that anybody who wants him back, to listen to the audio again and imagine it's your daughter or sister whose on the receiving end.
He's vile and should never play for us again.
fecking hell, we just have to find a decent striker and that does not have to be MasonJust a reminder: We lost the FA Cup Final to Gundogain, a player who could (and did) score equally well with both feet. Now Mason Greenwood possessed similar skillset. Imagine what could he do if he was the one coming on instead of Weghorst?
I just ask that anybody who wants him back, to listen to the audio again and imagine it's your daughter or sister whose on the receiving end.
He's vile and should never play for us again.
This. I was under the impression that the yes vote was more about giving a second chance than excusing him for his actions.
Is this more important to you than the message it sends?Just a reminder: We lost the FA Cup Final to Gundogain, a player who could (and did) score equally well with both feet. Now Mason Greenwood possessed similar skillset. Imagine what could he do if he was the one coming on instead of Weghorst?
Just a reminder: We lost the FA Cup Final to Gundogain, a player who could (and did) score equally well with both feet. Now Mason Greenwood possessed similar skillset. Imagine what could he do if he was the one coming on instead of Weghorst?
I took a quick look at the usernames, I am happy I didn’t recognize any of them.I'm actually gobsmacked. I had no idea there were this many people who thought that.
Expecting a kid, getting married and Tik Tokking together as a couple.So was I and somebody answered they had and are expected a kid. It seems to complicate things a lot.
You taking the fecking piss ?Just a reminder: We lost the FA Cup Final to Gundogain, a player who could (and did) score equally well with both feet. Now Mason Greenwood possessed similar skillset. Imagine what could he do if he was the one coming on instead of Weghorst?
Yes Qatar and no Greenwood? You'd rather murder someone than beat someone? Both scenarios are messed up imo but hey City have blood money funding them and are praised for it so who am I to judge. Might as well let everyone in.This is an extremely lazy comparison. I am yes Qatar and no Greenwood.
Seeking to boil this down to one side good and one side bad is very lame.
Yes Qatar and no Greenwood? You'd rather murder someone than beat someone?
It’s called basic human decency, you should try it, it’s nice.Ah yes, the old chestnut of being able to empathize with bad things that happen to women when you have a mother/daughter/sister/wife/girlfriend.
They're getting married. Nothing complicated about it.So was I and somebody answered they had and are expected a kid. It seems to complicate things a lot.
*statutory rape. There is a big difference.Sleeping with someone underage is rape. They aren't old enough to give consent
It's easy to make that judgement based on the audio, but beyond that, we know nothing else.
The police/CPS investigated this extensively, beyond what you often see in sexual assault cases due to the publicity surrounding it and in the end were unable to proceed. Bar a brief statement, we do not know why.
Rashford at the time posted a gushing post of him with his GFriend. There is no solidarity in that dressing room for Greenwood.I think players like Rashford and Sancho will have a huge say in this. Even though they stopped following him on socials but they would know more about Greenwood in general. If they don't stand up for him then he is surely done here and will probably move to Italy.
If he is allowed back then I expect him at least a whole season to get back to fitness and match sharpness. Erik Ten Hag will have to manage this very carefully.
There are some names in the yes column I never thought I'd see there. I guess people are complex beings, and form opinions that you wouldn't expect.